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    First of all- very good feedback so far! It's nice to hear ideas from different points of view. There's some interesting options that have been brought up!

    I would like to make two things clear before this thread goes on further:

    1. We are not going to give minors (users under the age of 18 years) access to any kind of adult material. This is a legal issue, and one that we do not want to mess around with.

    2. The Mature and Explicit categories are most likely to remain separate from each other. As Fiz said, in the past they were both the same category, and this was a major issue for many people. It is very unlikely we will go back to artistic nudity and pornography being grouped together. (That being said, if you have ideas for how the wording or content allowed in each category could be changed, that is fair game and we would very much like to hear about that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    First of all- very good feedback so far! It's nice to hear ideas from different points of view. There's some interesting options that have been brought up!

    I would like to make two things clear before this thread goes on further:

    1. We are not going to give minors (users under the age of 18 years) access to any kind of adult material. This is a legal issue, and one that we do not want to mess around with.

    2. The Mature and Explicit categories are most likely to remain separate from each other. As Fiz said, in the past they were both the same category, and this was a major issue for many people. It is very unlikely we will go back to artistic nudity and pornography being grouped together. (That being said, if you have ideas for how the wording or content allowed in each category could be changed, that is fair game and we would very much like to hear about that).
    I'm not sure what country Weasyl is located in.
    But if you're located in America like FurAffinity.
    You can have things like nudity, even with exposed genitalia, as long there's no arousal or sexual interactions, be under the mature rating without any worries of breaking the law.
    FurAffinity can do just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LNight View Post
    I'm not sure what country Weasyl is located in.
    But if you're located in America like FurAffinity.
    You can have things like nudity, even with exposed genitalia, as long there's no arousal or sexual interactions, be under the mature rating without any worries of breaking the law.
    FurAffinity can do just that.
    Weasyl is indeed located in the USA (I believe our LLC is located in Delaware). And yes, that is exactly how it is lined up right now- nudity with no sexual content is in the Mature category. However, when I said there was a legal issue, I meant that the issue is whether or not we can give minors access to the Mature and Explicit categories. And by law, we can only give users age 18 or older access to this content. I apologize if my initial wording was unclear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    Weasyl is indeed located in the USA (I believe our LLC is located in Delaware). And yes, that is exactly how it is lined up right now- nudity with no sexual content is in the Mature category. However, when I said there was a legal issue, I meant that the issue is whether or not we can give minors access to the Mature and Explicit categories. And by law, we can only give users age 18 or older access to this content. I apologize if my initial wording was unclear.
    Oh yeah of course.
    Everything but general should require you to have an account.
    And then you should have an option to choose what you wanna see, such as:

    General
    General, Mature
    General, Mature, Adult

    Still, I think this is more complicated than it should be.

    General should only contain the normal, no nudity with visible genitalia/nipples, excessive violence etc..
    Mature would be things like normal nudity, no excessive gore or blood etc.
    Adult contains everything.

    I mean that people do not like their 'artistic nudity' being in the same category as sexual stuff is understandable, but it is absolutely stupid to make a complete separate category just for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LNight View Post
    Oh yeah of course.
    Everything but general should require you to have an account.
    And then you should have an option to choose what you wanna see, such as:

    General
    General, Mature
    General, Mature, Adult

    Still, I think this is more complicated than it should be.

    General should only contain the normal, no nudity with visible genitalia/nipples, excessive violence etc..
    Mature would be things like normal nudity, no excessive gore or blood etc.
    Adult contains everything.

    I mean that people do not like their 'artistic nudity' being in the same category as sexual stuff is understandable, but it is absolutely stupid to make a complete separate category just for that!
    We do have the option to choose which ratings you want to appear on the front page and in your submission inbox. Look under "Settings" then go to "Site Preferences" and it will allow you to choose the highest maximum rating you want to see both when SFW mode is turned off, and when it is turned on.

    Also, how you described the three tiers is highly similar to how the ratings work right now.

    Could you possibly elaborate a little bit on why you don't think artistic nudity should not have its own category? I'm curious about your opinion as to how we could rate nudity differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    We do have the option to choose which ratings you want to appear on the front page and in your submission inbox. Look under "Settings" then go to "Site Preferences" and it will allow you to choose the highest maximum rating you want to see both when SFW mode is turned off, and when it is turned on.

    Also, how you described the three tiers is highly similar to how the ratings work right now.

    Could you possibly elaborate a little bit on why you don't think artistic nudity should not have its own category? I'm curious about your opinion as to how we could rate nudity differently.
    I just think its weird and unnecessary, since normal nudity fits perfectly well under mature instead of adult, something it does perfectly fine other places like FA. There its perfectly acceptable to put someone who is completely nude, genitals in full view, as long they're not aroused or engaging in sexual acts, under mature.
    Its fits under mature as well. Its not completely adult content, but it shouldn't be something you show to everyone either.

    I don't know how else to explain it.
    Its just my own opinion mostly but it also makes sense.
    Either it goes under a normal adult rating, alongside any fully sexual content as it will then be considered as such, or then it goes a step below to mature along with anything else considered in between general and adult.

    If its not against the TOS of the forums and with permission from one of the staff.
    I would like to show three examples of how things work and fit well under the General, Mature and Adult themes.
    Sadly though it will be from my own FurAffinity account the examples come from, so without an account there two of the examples as far I know, will not be visible.
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    LNight,

    I confess I'm a little confused here.

    I just think its weird and unnecessary, since normal nudity fits perfectly well under mature instead of adult, something it does perfectly fine other places like FA. There its perfectly acceptable to put someone who is completely nude, genitals in full view, as long they're not aroused or engaging in sexual acts, under mature.
    Its fits under mature as well. Its not completely adult content, but it shouldn't be something you show to anyone either.
    I agree, and this is how our ratings system already works. Artistic nudity (no sexual content, no erection) is classified as Mature.

    Depictions of sexual activity go into Explicit (our "Adult" category to borrow your terminology) already.

    Since what you are suggesting is already basically how our ratings system works, could you clarify exactly what you'd like to see be different?

    And yes, you can give examples as long as you clearly label NSFW links as such

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    It is NOT a legal issue, and I can prove it!
    http://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/072539p.pdf

    TL;DR COPA, the law you guys are discussing, was declared unconstitutional several years ago. What I suggest is that it is off by default, and any user can turn it on.
    Last edited by Yoshimaster96; 05-19-2016 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshimaster96 View Post
    It is NOT a legal issue, and I can prove it!
    If you can provide legal documentation that clearly states that it is not illegal for us to distribute adult material to minors, please do link it. Every legal document I have ever read on the issue states that it is illegal for us to distribute material such as pornographic content and nudity to minors (note: I have read this on .gov websites, which are more reliable than .com websites for looking up certain stipulations of the law).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    If you can provide legal documentation that clearly states that it is not illegal for us to distribute adult material to minors, please do link it. Every legal document I have ever read on the issue states that it is illegal for us to distribute material such as pornographic content and nudity to minors (note: I have read this on .gov websites, which are more reliable than .com websites for looking up certain stipulations of the law).
    Edited post with proof (also a .gov website)

 

 

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