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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlaChan View Post
    Also under your current rating a man with an erected penis but not engaging in sexual activities comes in the same category as a topless artistic nude women??
    That isn't correct. They would be rated differently.

    In any case, we're being firm on this because lots of people are incredibly sensitive about what their children should be able to access, and the law can be ambiguous.

    We are a small group of volunteers. We don't have the time or the resources or the desire to engage in legal battles, so we play it safe. I really hope you can understand this position, even if you personally don't find it satisfying.

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    Okay, so. Status update.

    We've just finished another staff meeting, and are very seriously looking into the idea of dropping to a three-tiered rating system: General, Mature, and Explicit. This doesn't mean we've 100% officially decided on that course of action, so please keep arguing for alternatives if you have them, but we're currently leaning this way.

    So we have a question: what all would folks like to see in each category?

    The easiest thing for everyone would seem to be to merge the current General and Moderate into just General, hence allowing universal access to such things as skimpy bikinis up in your face, mild swearing, etc. Would people be on board with that?

    If so, what do people think should go under Mature? We're leaning toward maintaining the distinction between artistic nudity and pornography as before, but what else might be allowed under Mature? Heavy drug use, certain amounts of violence?

    Let us know, or again, let us know if you want to argue more for a better idea.

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    Nice derailment on not listening to what I'm actually explaining... Really smooth.

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    But Deviantart doesn't make sure it's flagged 18+ that's my main issue. It has a moderate warning, and a strict warning for mature content.

    However that is different again to anything sexually explicit since it doesn't allow any sexual explicit material at all in theory. I know stuff slips past all the time, but it's in their rules.

    I really don't see the problem with an artistic nude category? Just what really is the issue with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlaChan View Post
    I really don't see the problem with an artistic nude category? Just what really is the issue with that?
    I mean we already have one don't we?
    Mature is for non-sexual artistic nudity and Explicit is for sexual content. I think where we're not lining up is that our Mature category is also called 18+ and so you're arguing is it "effectively" is on the same level as Explicit, right?

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    sorry, I'm not really articulate so I can only really address one point at a time without losing focus. But I'll try to get to them.
    Quote Originally Posted by KarlaChan View Post
    Any way also another big difference between Deviantart and weasyl is that Deviantart system lets you view one type of mature content while excluding another. So don't mind artist nude, but don't want to see gore, no problem.
    separating the components of the ratings like deviantart does would be one route but there are some challenges to that. One, we already have a lot of stuff rating on this old metric so how would we transfer those ratings to one with more categories? asking everyone to rerate their mature and explicit submissions isnt really nice. Another thought is that people are already saying our ratings are too complicated, so adding more nuances seems like it would only cause more problems.

    e: oh also, as a tagging purist i'd love to say "well if you dont want to see gore use the blacklist". but i'm aware that it's not a perfect system either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    What our Ratings say is, any full exposure of the actual organ scientifically called a mammary is considered nudity and thus rated in the Mature category.
    How about having that particular section of the ratings just be verbatim of the legal code in reference?
    (5) "Nudity" means the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area or buttocks with less than a full opaque covering, or the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any portion thereof below the top of the nipple or the depiction of covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxid View Post
    sorry, I'm not really articulate so I can only really address one point at a time without losing focus. But I'll try to get to them.


    separating the components of the ratings like deviantart does would be one route but there are some challenges to that. One, we already have a lot of stuff rating on this old metric so how would we transfer those ratings to one with more categories? asking everyone to rerate their mature and explicit submissions isnt really nice. Another thought is that people are already saying our ratings are too complicated, so adding more nuances seems like it would only cause more problems.

    e: oh also, as a tagging purist i'd love to say "well if you dont want to see gore use the blacklist". but i'm aware that it's not a perfect system either.
    I'm aware that how Deviantart does it could be completed for this site. However it is an example of a US site, so bound to the same laws as you of a less strict nudity rating. For some types of nudity. I am asking for something that would be higher than your 13+ category, but not as firm as 18+ ideally.

    However I would also understand if it had to stay 18+ but was still in its own rating to separate it from the other pretty strong 18+ content. Since I feel softer forms of nudity are out of place in that category.

    I just feel that an artistic nudity option is just one editional drop down menu. That could be added to the current system. I know it would enhance my experience of this site because I do find the current rating system more than frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkCat View Post
    How about having that particular section of the ratings just be verbatim of the legal code in reference?
    Thus bringing back why is this organ still allowed to be shown if it's a male body? That wording is a HUGE double standard. Since we are speaking scientifically, to which I have a degree in biology. Described in that way really does sound like male and female mammaries are really being counted differently.

    Men can get breast cancer, and can develop lactation disorders. It is far less common but we have all the same parts in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlaChan View Post
    But haven't you been listening to my points on there is no real way to separate minor nudity with other explicit 18+ themes?

    Plus you have ignored my point of other sites do have a lesser label for artistic nude.
    ok so, I think what the question here is is "there should be a non-18+ nudity category".or that our existing nudity category should not be restricted to those 18 years of age or older. I think the thing with this is, it's a bit of a legal and moral gray area (going back to what I said before about cultural differences) and afaik weasyl's stance on that sort of thing is to play it safe. different US states each have their own laws and regulations and it's a bit of a minefield trying to figure out "what is or isn't ok to show to what age group and who is liable etc etc".
    I'll try to spend a little more time this evening to see if I can learn more about how the law works in this regard.

 

 

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