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  1.   Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread.   #11
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    I would suggest in the future that if you find someone who's not tagging their work as anthro, just put a report into the system, and we'll handle it. We definitely want to make sure yours, and everyone's tag filters are respected.

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    Well, I have to say it, but the tagging situation is getting worse.

    Someone last night decided to upload dozens of pictures that should have been tagged with a furry, or at least anthro, tag. When I asked them politely to make sure they tag their pictures properly, they told me that if it was a problem I should be the one to go through and tag every picture they posted. Not to mention they also said that Weasyl was a furry site, and not a site for everybody.

    There needs to be a solution to these problems, as it seems they're getting worse, and I can't think of a solution that would help stop this problem.

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    Not to mention they also said that Weasyl was a furry site, and not a site for everybody.
    It would seem that this misconception is likely the root of the problem. We were planning to make efforts to disspell this notion, as we have seen people referring to this as a 'furry' site a lot, but we figured it could wait. However, it does seem that problems are presenting themselves more and more as a result of this. I'll talk to the staff to see what we can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RX-149Dragonite View Post
    I've been doing that too, and it was fine until today, where I got basically "fuck off, if you don't like it" replies to my notes.
    Excuse me, but this is NOT how I replied. I did not respond in as rude of a manner as you suggest, and I don't appreciate you blowing what I say out of proportion.

    I asked you to point out the rule that states I need to list my work as "Furry." To which I responded:

    That particular rule is extremely gray-area, and mentions nothing specific about tagging submissions as furry. It mentions "relevant tags," which is to be interpreted by the user.

    I apologize, but I will not tag my works as furry, as I do not see it as a particularly necessary tag. You are on a furry-run site. You must expect there to be furry art. Labeling me as irresponsible and threatening me for not tagging my works as furry on a furry site is a little extreme, don't you think?

    I have to ask, what will you do when this site goes live and an influx of new users flock in with works not tagged furry, because they rightfully assume this place is furry centric? The place will be flooded with all sorts of submissions you will likely not want to see! If you don't want to look at furry submissions, I suggest a site like DeviantArt.

    My tags are editable by all users. Like I said before, If users wish to appropriately tag my work, I am not against it!

    If you have a problem with how I'm managing my submissions, please take it up with the staff and I will discuss the matter with them if necessary. I've already contacted them about this matter, myself, and am awaiting their reply.

    Thank you.
    Forgive me, but I spent four hours porting 150 submissions my gallery from FA to this site, leaving my tags as flexible as possible for users to add tags as needed, which is a feature of this site has been selling.

    So far, I have not had any complaints or problems concerning my tags by any users other than RX-149Dragonite, who has repeatedly noted me about them. If I'm going to be harassed repeatedly, bossed around and threatened over how to tag my adult works by a person who's not staff, who takes what I say and completely twists it to make me sound like an asshole when I'm trying to be calm and collected, who follows Mutsurf, a hardcore furry porn artist, and who draws nearly-pornographic furry submissions like you see here, https://www.weasyl.com/submission/2324 and doesn't tag them as furry, then I will not be using this site.

    The last thing I expected was to come in receiving note after note about how I need to add furry tags on what many would rightfully assume is a furry-centric site. How will this situation be handled during the influx of users who come in thinking it's a new alternative to FA who will not list their works as "furry" and "anthro" off the bat? They will rightfully assume this is a furry-centered site, given it was shown off at Anthrocon to a bunch of furries? BY a bunch of furries?

    I donated to this site to get access and had full intentions of becoming a paid member if this site were successful. But as it is now, there need to be better systems in place, otherwise, as I said before, I will not be using and supporting this site.
    Last edited by MukiHyena; 10-19-2012 at 04:27 PM. Reason: spelling and grammar

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    I'll have to agree to Muki here. Every single bit of advertising I've heard about this site was that it claimed to be a Furaffinity-beating art community, yammered about by furries themselves. I donated to get away from an annoying admin staff and a horrid community in the aforementioned site. If I'm already reading about users and staff alike that are going to meddle with other donating users based on poorly-defined TOS, I'm going to just keep any donations or business I was going to invest in this Weasyl venture to myself.

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    Well, part of what we did in order to make it clearer that we want users to tag their work as "anthro" if it involves anthro characters is by putting a disclaimer beneath the tag-entering field, and by also including it in a news post a week or so ago. This site did start off as a site that was meant to be furry-only (which is why the staff is mainly furries, although we've been expanding our non-furry staff side as we've gone on), but as we went on, an understanding was reached that it's not just the furry community that needed a better art site-- it's all of us. So, we dropped all things from our marketing that explicitly said we were a furry community.

    However, of course, there is the implicit stuff, such as our staff largely being from the furry community, the panel done at AC, and the massive word of mouth being spread through furry sites. We've mainly been focusing on this community because, considering how many of us hail from it, we know from first-hand experience that although we do think everybody could use a better site, the furry community seems to want it more than anyone else. We know you guys have the passion and desire to give this site the momentum it needs to break out of the funk some vaporware sites have suffered from, and to help it be as prosperous as possible. So, that's essentially where it ended up focusing. We are planning to make more of a push to make our intentions of being a site open to all people much more clear as the beta period goes on.

    But yes, on both sides, I would appreciate if we could do what we can to tone down the hostilities here. We obviously do not want to lose any of you as members, and we would rather work on devising a solution that makes everyone happy, instead of choosing one over the other. Part of the reason we didn't want Weasyl to be centric to one specific community is so we could feel proud to tell people about it that weren't a part of that single community, so we could have works from people of all different walks of life, and create a truly unique site with an incredibly varied and diverse make-up of art. That here is the ultimate goal, and we hope to achieve it as well as we can.

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    I understand this site wants to have as broad of a demographic as possible. I can appreciate the fact that the idea behind this site is to welcome any sort of artist, and provide a quality user experience for them. I appreciate that the rules to this site are very lenient, and literally anybody who wants can come and post their art.

    However, everything that I'd gathered up until this point is that this site would be a superior alternative to FA that offers many necessary features that FA doesn't, and likely never will. The fact that this site is slowly drifting away from that concept and more towards "General art," catering more and more to the other side and creating this huge separation between the two, is saddening. General art is a field that is not lacking in decent sites in the slightest, there are sites like DeviantArt and many others out there packed full of wonderful features. The Furry community, however, does not have many feature-rich sites to turn to, which is why I had high hopes for this place to be successful. I understand you wanting to appeal to a broad audience, if this site continues to drift in the direction of separating furry art and non-furry art, it will not have my business.

    It's not just me. Many furries who are sick and fed up with FA's moderation and management are irritated by what has transpired in this situation. There is a huge discussion thread on Lulz, a site that is more than fed up with how FA is run. As a warning, the link below is a bit adult-oriented and has some nasty language.

    http://lulz.net/furi/res/2336475.html
    Last edited by MukiHyena; 10-19-2012 at 05:24 PM.

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    I see what you are saying, Ben. However, most of the people who will be coming here will pretty much assume it's a furry site regardless. I mean furry mascot, mostly furry staff, and mostly a furry user base. Not meaning to 'poop in the soup' but I think the train has left the station for the most part. When the site goes 'live' after beta there is going to be a huge 'art dump' of untagged furry art. How are we going to deal with all of that? I have already seen the Lulz.net turds cawing about this as the first nail in Weasyl's coffin.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by MukiHyena View Post
    Excuse me, but this is NOT how I replied. I did not respond in as rude of a manner as you suggest, and I don't appreciate you blowing what I say out of proportion.
    I know it isn't. Look at the post date that you quoted. It's way before I messaged you last night. I was talking about another person.

    Also, Mutsurf is a friend of mine, regardless of what he draws, and I don't really appreciate you dragging him into something he isn't even involved in.

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    Perhaps you shouldn't be going around making new members feel unwelcome by backseat moderating and telling them to add tags and then threatening to contact the staff if they don't abide because the subject of furry porn on a site run by furries that allows adult submissions offends you.

    I've seen nobody else complain about this but you.

 

 

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