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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsys View Post
    Because what goes on in the fandom doesn't affect just furries. It affects us too, a lot of us. What furries do affects what we can put in our character design portfolios. It affects who we hire. It affects what projects we feel like we can greenlight. And when we do have the gall to start pre-production on something with animal characters in it, it affects the age group the story is for, what we have to remove from the story, and what merch people will buy.

    What goes on in the furry community most certainly does not stay within the furry community. These issues are not just about the furry fandom, and we pay very close attention to what's going on. The furry stigma affects us too, and we are on your side hoping things get better.
    Not everything needs to be political though.

    Besides, if this is about things like the rampant sexualization... You are aware that rule-34 exists, ya? If it exists, there will be porn of it... And some of it may be really flipping nasty.

    Do what your passion askes of you and be true to your vision, wherever that may be... And don't sweat the stuff you won't ever be able to change.

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    This thread is Garbage, OP is Waste of Time

    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    I know a veiled threat when I see one.
    Idgaf If -you- think I'm angry. If you really want to save face, at least consider apologizing to Wolf-bone, and for making this pitiful thread. Then maybe, just maybe I'll consider "stepping off" or lowering my "tone".

    You're also assuming I'm a snake. IF I really wanted to "threaten" you, I don't need to hide shit. I will tell you to your fucking face, in public; in person or online. Besides, what makes you think you're worth my time to chase and execute? OVER SOMETHING PETTY ONLINE.

    Take a step back, stop seeing things where there is NONE.

    My "I would love to meet you in person..." line was sarcastic, hence the Italicized "love".
    Meaning I would HATE to meet you in person, given your posts and this thread.

    I'll admit, I get carried away with being confrontational, and swearing is just bad habit.
    However, I couldn't care less about your god dam feelings. So don't bring them up, "bro".

    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    Burned furs focused on making the furry fandom more socially acceptable. Their mandate was on the family friendly art and ignoring the sexual stuff that was more than just M/F missionary stuff. However, in practice a lot of them used bully tactics to shame and intimidate furries and artists that didn't "toe the line." So, essentially, SJWs before SJWs were an issue.
    Horseshoe theory, different shit, same old flies. The "Burned furs" sound like religious Trad/Cons to me.
    Far from typical hipster progressives or rad/feminists (What people like you call SJWs).

    Frankly, I don't understand why you're bringing up "Burnt Furs". When guys like Metsy and me, haven't even said anything about "cleansing Furrydom". Personally, IDC about "furry" becoming socially acceptable, whatever that means. Besides anthropomorphic shit is already mainstream.

    People can create anything & everything they want. Hell, they can enjoy all the wild, kinky, dirty sex they want with their (consenting) partner(s). They can indulge in all the unusual, fictitious porn and animal dildos. They can dress up in fursuits, or pretend to be animals trapped in the wrong body. They can quack and cluck all day- every day. They can get together OR associate with whomever and whatever they want. (Like Weasyl or FurAffinity as an example)

    Just don't bitch and moan,"Fursecution". When others distance themselves from certain things, groups or people. Because of the lack of common decency; which is IMPORTANT. It is another reason why Weasyl is failing to attract "general" users. Especially with the self righteous cunts deliberately not tagging or rating their shit. Then you have those completely against community tagging. Then there's the annoying twats with the "Furs VS Non-furs" bullshit. Then there's """clean""" artists (self conscious/insecure) that keep mentioning Yerf or whatever, because of the above.



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    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    SJWS" Generally being totalitarian fascists [and acting in mobs].
    Only there for the fight and to bloody their knuckles on people who they feel are the "enemy."
    [Hence the "warrior" in SJW]
    I prefer Tumblrette or colorful words other than SJW, since it inflates their precious little egos. Plus SJW as a pejorative is losing it's meaning, causing some confusion. Thanks to far right wingers, religious nutcases and idiots... Whom are also like retarded "progressives" (I bet you're liberal) whom throw around "bigot", isms and "phobias". With all their crappy debate tactics and smear campaigns. (Throw shit, make stuff up, exaggerate and run))

    BTW your comparison of "Burnt Furs" to "SJWs" sucks. Sure their methodologies maybe alike, but their principles overall are different. Shit like that turns into "Godwins" eventually you catch a case of "Nazi Tourettes" Mr.GlenBeck. It's almost like there's a new boogeyman (SJWs), but at least we have still have the same old Satan (Hitler) for the Puritans among us.

    Lefty "Progressives" and Feminists; what people call "SJWs" ((because they're typically progressive or liberal themselves, and want to "disassociate" from it. EVEN THOUGH they're guilty of making the same fucking mistakes, and being "that sjw". At one time or another. Much Like feminists who turn radical out of hysteria)) Actually have a lot more in common with Communists than they do Fascists. One example, they both LOVE to say "Fascism" (JUST LIKE REDREGON) and "Neo/Nazi", especially as blanket statements (refer to my FASCISM link, or that HATRED game thread as examples). Conversely, [panicking] right-wing idiots love to use "Marxists/Communism", and at rare times with good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    So, basically people with too much anger in their hearts whom have convinced themselves that lashing out at people is acceptable and tolerable if done in the name of the "Greater good."
    Anger is an over-simplification, it's like your goto response, "bro". There's more to politics than "feelings". Anyways, what I find amusing is how you're against "SJWs" (progressives and feminists- whom always turn rabid) when they make up the majority of your precious little fandom. Yet you don't want us criticizing it? You'd rather "point to the door" because "it's not broken". I seriously don't get why "The fandom" needs to be this infallible object, put atop a fucking pedestal & protected...

    There are things about Furry and ("progressive" (since it is prevalent in furry)) politics that should be discussed. Things that also reinforces the harmful notion of complete or unconditional "openness" and "tolerance" that causes real life problems, both minor and serious, as well as concerns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ieono View Post
    It's quite strange how many people join furry sites and forums (while supposedly joining the fandom) just to spend most of their time talking about how shitty furries are. Some people should spend their time and attentions on better things.
    Wow, It's almost like people don't read or have the attention span of a gold fish.

    Edit: Also, don't worry the precious porn is safe. The staff here made that perfectly clear.
    Last edited by Kurk2288; 08-31-2015 at 12:23 PM. Reason: Formating + Links + typos

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    I stopped reading at the part where you demanded buddy apologize to me like he massively besmirched me because you are taking this way too seriously.

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    Don't come here expecting a circle jerk. If people don't actually want to discuss things, with opposing views, maybe they should stick to twatter or perhaps journals on the main-site. Trust me, I never took this forum seriously. Plus I asked him to -consider- apologizing for creating this garbage thread and the pathetic pseudo-psychology (it wasn't about you being "besmirched"). In return I would consider "stepping off" (leaving).

    Really my interest in this thread is waning,
    since most of you coming here are just going to "agree" with OP and pat him on the back.
    Feel free to "TL;DR" my replies or shit-post, since it's what you guys do best.

    Edit: Lmao "demanding".
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    Putting my two cents in here: OP started all this shit with his snide comments against Wolf-Bone and didn't need to drag that bullshit into the discussion on the other thread. I'm putting my views on the fandom in the other thread since that where it belongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    Not everything needs to be political though.

    Besides, if this is about things like the rampant sexualization... You are aware that rule-34 exists, ya? If it exists, there will be porn of it... And some of it may be really flipping nasty.

    Do what your passion askes of you and be true to your vision, wherever that may be... And don't sweat the stuff you won't ever be able to change.
    Yeah. Of course one thing i find amazing is that other fandoms like MLP:FIM,anime,star trek,star wars and such have rule 34,but they aren't judged on it at all. Yet furry is judged on Rule 34,when furry has clean artists,and other fandoms have rule 34 and get a free pass while furry gets the flack. At a comic con some dude was going on about how furries draw body parts and try to make characters sexy. I should have said. "so you never heard of star trek slash fiction or harry potter slash fiction or how anime has yaoi?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by axelthefox View Post
    Yeah. Of course one thing i find amazing is that other fandoms like MLP:FIM,anime,star trek,star wars and such have rule 34,but they aren't judged on it at all. Yet furry is judged on Rule 34,when furry has clean artists,and other fandoms have rule 34 and get a free pass while furry gets the flack. At a comic con some dude was going on about how furries draw body parts and try to make characters sexy. I should have said. "so you never heard of star trek slash fiction or harry potter slash fiction or how anime has yaoi?"

    The reason being is that you're talking about a commercial property that was targeted to have no real pornographic ties at all. ie Star Trek and Harry Potter. The franchise is recognized to appeal to a certain demographic the minute it was put out. Porn itself is more of a side part of the fandom perpetuation not the owners of the property that commercializes it. Furry is a fandom that isn't exactly commercial in it's roots, there's no one franchise that has attracted every furry to "become furry" it's a very loose fandom.

    Also anime did have a similar problem because in the beginning most of what was imported that people knew was hentai. When "Return of the Overfiend" was sitting on the shelves of video stores, many thought anime was "pornographic Japanese cartoons" It had to take major franchises like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z and Pokemon to get rid of that stigma.

    Even with the IMVU buyout those consumers of of IMVU very well feel that furry is a porn site and especially given the regulations that IMVU users have to go through vs FA users.

    Given the wide berth and loose interpretation of Furry, Talking animal movies isn't going to get people to associate with "oh this is clean furry" and that furry's commercialism is largely recognized to be harmless. Because...it's not commercial, and people already disassociate talking animals with furry fandom anyways.

    So what you're left with are the times furry does come up in media...which usually is negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoPachi View Post
    I've no problem with you, but you do go ham sometimes, Kurk. Not gonna lie.
    I feel you XoPachi,
    Perhaps I'm a bit too vigilant, cursing doesn't help and my mannerisms are something I TRY to resist.
    I'm not angry as often as it may seem, it's just this "quirk" of mine that I've grown up with.

    Since there are -some- people here that I respect, I will apologize, I am sorry.
    BUT only because I respect THEM, and they should know who they are.

    Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with Furries, but I do have issues with "the fandom".
    I only wish this forum and the main site to be a little better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axelthefox View Post
    Yeah. Of course one thing i find amazing is that other fandoms like MLP:FIM,anime,star trek,star wars and such have rule 34,but they aren't judged on it at all.
    Bronies get a shitload of flack because clop exists, how long have you been on the internet? Calling someone a clopper can be an insult if used right, just like yiffer.

    The most likely reason that furries get all the scrutiny for their porn is because they have a reputation for having diaper and animal fetishes and liking cp. Being the target of 4Chan trolling during the internet's Trolling Renaissance isn't helping them either. There are kinks that I think are nasty like diaper and bodily waste, but zoophilia and pedophilia are the only ones I will publicly slam someone for having, just sayin'. inb4kinkshamer

    In contrast, Star Trek doesn't get flack for rule 34 because the fandom never became infamous; they pretty much stayed in their own corners of the internet and didn't make big fuckups like the furry fandom did(and still does).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurk2288 View Post
    Idgaf If -you- think I'm angry. If you really want to save face, at least consider apologizing to Wolf-bone, and for making this pitiful thread. Then maybe, just maybe I'll consider "stepping off" or lowering my "tone".
    You have no entitlement to make demands of me and expect me to abide by them... Especially if you're going to be so rude, abrasive and downright petulant while making said demands.

    And if you've been paying attention, Wolf-bone and I have had a rather decent conversation which I feel was generally polite and constructive.

    p.s. That sentence is where I stopped reading because if you're going to be like this, I do not owe your words anything and what I have given is all you're going to get from me until you drop the attitude and behave appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoPachi View Post
    I don't understand what's with people who say "if you have a problem, leave". In some cases, that rings true, but not every time.

    Like for example. Someone in the tags thread before someone got it locked kept saying "if you don't like the tag system, get out. Weasyl's not for you". Well...maybe people who complain want to settle for and work with people to make a compromise that works for everyone? And maybe something, in this case the fandom as a whole, has it's unique perks that they don't want to just up and drop. Telling people to just get out means that you basically want an echo chamber.

    I hate a lot of the stupid nonsense that happens in this fandom, but there's specific things in it I won't get elsewhere that I like enough to remain a furry. BUT I'd love for the fat of the fandom, to be cut off to make the experience less of a pain.
    That's more directed at the folk that seem unable or unwilling to try to find something in the fandom that could bring them enjoyment. I'm sure you know a person that might be like this... Constantly saying that the fandom sucks, never being happy with it, never even trying to find something they enjoy.

    Basically, chronic complainers.

    As for the "fat of the fandom." Well, if it is too troubling then you can always just click back... Granted, I know that there are some examples that I do think shouldn't be present (such as if you see someone doing something legitimately violent, criminal or ultra-bad like an adult grooming a minor for sex... Yes, I did see something like that happen once and I made sure to contact the appropriate authorities.) But if it's not harming anyone and isn't illegal, why worry?

    What makes the fandom so vibrant is that (for the most part) there's something for pretty much everyone and that diversity is pretty neat!

 

 

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