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    This thread is pointless.

    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    Makes garbage thread, psycho-mumbles, accuses me of sending death threats, ignores the word "consider"; says I'm "demanding". Expects polite conversation after having a great start. Admit's to "TL;DR" because feelings.

    Ironically anti-"sjw"...
    Anthropomorphic art =/= Furry.
    People with some common decency =/= complainers
    No one here said anything about harmless activities.
    Again, this thread is garbage, complete misdirection.

    "The fandom" needs to break apart, splinter out,
    if complacent fools want to idolize it in peace.
    Otherwise, continue to hear "complainers".

    Don't worry, I won't waste any more of my time on someone like you.

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    There's so much pointless anger and screaming in this thread, it could be an episode of DBZ.
    Y'all motherfuckers need to chill.

    On-topic: Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    Say it with me, this time.
    Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    You can't possibly make the call that someone is sticking around a fandom "just to hate it." You can't read their minds. You don't see everything they're doing. You're not in a position to determine that.
    Some people are more vocal about their negativity than anything else.
    But people are faceted.
    And you're not the fandom police. You don't get to make that decision for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    Besides, if this is about things like the rampant sexualization... You are aware that rule-34 exists, ya?
    Oh, we totally do†. The fact that it exists isn't what concerns people in previs. It's, as you said, because it's "rampant." The fact that no furry art site exists that doesn't allow porn doesn't help when you have fellow concept artists, who make a diligent effort to see which narrative about the furry fandom is true: the narrative that the furry fandom has about itself, or what people outside of the furry fandom say about it. The current landscape of organized communities tells a narrative that I don't think the furry fandom wants told (at least among furries I spoke with a few years back while doing primary research, but I have to admit to a selection bias so I could be wrong).

    The people I work with are artistically liberal, and we get it. Most of us have a good understand of human psychology and understand how diverse human sexuality is. So is it about the rampant sexualization? No, not really.

    It's the defensiveness.

    In the art world, as with everywhere else, that's where people really start to get turned off. People we work with have to be creatively diverse. They have to accept critique. "It's my style," is not what we want to hear when we work with someone in previs. And I understand why the furry community is so defensive about it. Professional furry artists make good money doing commission work, and attacks on livelihood create a lot of defensiveness. Looking at it from the outside, I think that's why the furry community is the way it is. My thoughts about that are in the other thread.
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    † Although I think too many people treat Rule 34 as something akin to a law of physics instead of what that rule really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vae View Post
    There's so much pointless anger and screaming in this thread, it could be an episode of DBZ.
    Y'all motherfuckers need to chill.

    On-topic: Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    Say it with me, this time.
    Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    You can't possibly make the call that someone is sticking around a fandom "just to hate it." You can't read their minds. You don't see everything they're doing. You're not in a position to determine that.
    Some people are more vocal about their negativity than anything else.
    But people are faceted.
    And you're not the fandom police. You don't get to make that decision for them.
    You ever hear of hipsters and SJWs?

    Basically, they are cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redregon View Post
    hipsters and SJWs
    You can't possibly make the call that someone is sticking around a fandom "just to hate it."
    Dafuq.

    Also I said that you're not in a position to make that call,
    not that that is an impossibility.

    Also SJWs don't hate their own dumb causes,
    and hipsters don't hate all of their own shit either.

    What.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vae View Post
    Also SJWs don't hate their own dumb causes
    and hipsters don't hate all of their own shit either.
    Yeah they do, hypocrisy is one of the defining stereotypes. SJWs go full circle so many times you'd think you were watching NASCAR and hipsters immediately will hate their own shit the moment it's vaguely popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vae View Post
    There's so much pointless anger and screaming in this thread, it could be an episode of DBZ.
    Y'all motherfuckers need to chill.
    As near as I can tell, this argument has been going on at least since some time in the 80's, and at the same level. It just changes venues, and swaps in fresh participants.
    After a certain point, it's hard not to conclude that the anger and screaming is the point. The thrill of verbal combat, the adrenaline rush of a good, righteous hate, and the junkies just want another fix.

    On-topic: Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    Say it with me, this time.
    Criticism of something does not equate to hating it.
    No argument there, though I'd say that some people have gotten so caught up in the verbal sparring that they've forgotten why they're doing it, and some just don't care.

    You can't possibly make the call that someone is sticking around a fandom "just to hate it." You can't read their minds. You don't see everything they're doing. You're not in a position to determine that. Some people are more vocal about their negativity than anything else.
    But people are faceted.
    You're right, you can't say for sure what goes on in someone else's head. However when someone comes out and says they're just there to mock the loser furries, you can make a few educated guesses. But as they say, whatever floats your boat. Some people seem to need to reassurance that, no matter how low they are on the pecking order, there's someone lower they can still peck.

    And you're not the fandom police. You don't get to make that decision for them.
    Very true. Perhaps the illusion of power is comforting. There's all manner of people who fancy themselves movers and shakers in fannish politics, but in truth, they have exactly as power of us as we allow them to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vae View Post
    Dafuq.

    Also I said that you're not in a position to make that call,
    not that that is an impossibility.

    Also SJWs don't hate their own dumb causes,
    and hipsters don't hate all of their own shit either.

    What.
    Okay, I suspect there may be some crossed-wires with regards to communication so I'll take a bit of time and explain what I mean when I say "SJW" and why.

    SJWs, or social justice warriors are, to me, bullies. Not to be confused with activists though... The reason I have come to this conclusion is that often an SJW is focusing on ways to justify villifying people they feel are "oppressors" and finding all sorts of sophist arguments to validate those views. Things like "you cannot be racist against white men" or that sort of thing which doesn't match the actual source that it's taken from. The quote that gets thrown around is "Racism is privilege plus power. White men have power, people of colour don't, therefore people of colour cannot be racist against white men." These are also the people that will be quick to call someone a shitlord, cis-scum, tru-scum or whatever other insults are currently trendy. These are also people that will spend most of their time chastizing and not trying to understand other people. (If you're curious and I can link stuff in the forums, I can post someone's personal account of their life and experiences within the "social justice warrior" clique.)

    Basically, activism is about building bridges (so people can come to a better understanding of one another and also so that positive change can flourish in society.) SJWs are about burning them (outcasting people, creating online cyber mobs to bully them, sometimes, in extreme cases, leading to various criminal behaviour such as assault, vandalism and even murder/attempted-murder.)

    Why I consider them cancerous? I've done activism. The kind where you go door to door collecting donations, community outreach, marathons/walks for charities, even planting trees in the boonies. So when I see what they're doing to activism, it makes my heart hurt because they are often doing a lot of damage to the causes they say they represent and activism itself.

    I love activists... I can't stand SJWs.

    And this isn't only my own perspective, it's one shared by a lot of folk (and not just right-wingers either... I'm center-left with some anarchist leanings.)

    As for hipsters... A lot of the same attitudes in SJWs I also see in hipsters but theirs seems to be more about pop culture... But there is a good deal of overlap between the two. {EDIT} And I am willing to accept that my perspective on hipster-dom is misinformed and it is not so much about hate and being insufferable but more about appearing aloof, disdainful and elitist as a form of theatre... In which case I am willing to accept that my impression of the hipster community may be in need of adjustment and change but I haven't seen much in the way that would dissuade me from that at this point in time. {/EDIT}

    Does that help clear things up and also help foster a better understanding? If so, I am glad... If not, what can I do to hopefully help you see my perspective? Also, what would your perspective on this subject be? I'd like to understand more so fire away if you have the desire.
    Last edited by redregon; 09-01-2015 at 02:47 PM. Reason: Grammar, minor corrections in structure, clarity.

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    Pretty sure most us (if not all) already know about the SJW bogeyman.
    Nothing's more terrifying than limp-wristed cry babies with a fucking mac...




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    Is Weasyl a Furry Site that "allows non-furs"??

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    This website is a furry site that also allows non-furry users.

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    I'm not staff, but the answer is no. Weasyl is not a furry site. It is a general art site that tolerates furs.
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