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    Quote Originally Posted by taasla View Post
    Wow a+ pr response by the staff. So really this thread is less about giving a hoot about what cc creators would like. (Let me turn it off. Like sofurry) it's more to just defend why it's not changing. Okay. Well that's made my decision for me. Too bad I can't get my donation back.
    I'm not sure where you're seeing "we're not changing it" from? Yes, we intend to keep community tagging as a core idea but we're trying to bounce ideas off of everybody to, hopefully, gauge a happy-medium that most users will like.

    Just because we don't intend to change the core idea doesn't mean we're not going to change the details.

    I guess I can kind of see how some our responses may come off as obstinate, especially when we're asking people specific questions about why X thing isn't something they like, but honestly we're really trying to figure out why certain aspects of community tagging bother people since that mindset isn't something that most of the staff have.

    We're not trying to be stubborn or anything, we're just trying to come to a mutual understanding of why people feel the way they do about community tagging, but I do apologize if we are coming off as hard-headed about this.

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    Well, to me this sound like a good news.

    I mostly decided to leave weasly and removed most of my art from FA because of this judgmental classification of art. Knowing now that people could use tag and ban tag they don't wanna see, is more respectfull and stay a individual choice.

    I really respect that. Now it seems a lot of people don't know how to tag things or are too lazy for it. Unfortunuatly there is no other way.

    -You choose to be lazy then you have a system that do it for you but with limitation and classification.

    -You want more freedom and choice, well you have to work for it.

    The only idea I see is to leave some tips around the tagging system to give people a clue about what they should do. If some people doesn't want to use tag, they should at least fill some requiere tag before posting art. With very few tags should be enough to keep it in the system and let people to choose if they want or not see that art appear in front of them.

    That is just my opinion.

    Edit1: There is a website called: http://drawcrowd.com/ . They do not use any classification but only tags. The only policy is just no porn (nudity isn't porn). Even though, it's not a obligation to use tag there.
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  3.   Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread.   #153
    I had an idea while discussing this offline today, and I think it solves a number of the issues raised in the thread. Simply put, involve the community more in community tagging. Someone can suggest a tag for a submission, and the community can vote on which tags are appropriate or inappropriate for a submission. There's a lot of bikeshedding possible here, but it seems like it would be reasonable to do something simple like "if a tag gets three votes for appropriate or inappropriate, that's its final status", and then to change it from there the mods could be appealed and make a decision of whether the status should be changed.

    If proposed tags were still usable to find/filter submissions, it wouldn't even be much of a change from the current state, and it would even neatly handle the case of "the submitter has left the site".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiz View Post
    I'm not sure where you're seeing "we're not changing it" from? Yes, we intend to keep community tagging as a core idea but we're trying to bounce ideas off of everybody to, hopefully, gauge a happy-medium that most users will like. .
    But the problem is community tagging as a 'core idea' is going to drive people away. I even had up where other people could find me elsewhere and it got deleted under some arbitrary rule (this where I'll be told I'm wrong, attempted to make look foolish, etc.) not even 24 hours after i spoke out against community tagging. hmm..

    As I've said before, and it's curious that rather than address this I've been asked stupid questions about stuff on issues not pertaining to it, why wasn't there an opt-in upon sign up and why isn't there an opt-out feature? most sites offer at least an opt-out on features. I feel like Weasyl knew this was going to be a problem but then decided not to do anything anyway, which caused the creation of this thread.

    I know that because of community tagging I've already asked several artists who are working on commissions for me not to post them to Weasyl. and I've also demonstrated that there are several other people who feel as I do.

    Is there a code limitation on an opt-out? or is it a case of lazyitis

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    Quote Originally Posted by weykent View Post
    I had an idea while discussing this offline today, and I think it solves a number of the issues raised in the thread. Simply put, involve the community more in community tagging. Someone can suggest a tag for a submission, and the community can vote on which tags are appropriate or inappropriate for a submission.
    so give the community MORE power while giving the content creator none.

    If you're allowing the "community" to vote on it, without the content creator being able to delete the tag in the first place, or have a final veto on the vote then what's the point? You're ceding power away from CC, which for me is the whole reason I'm griping.

    The "community" should NOT be deciding what tags go on MY created content.
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    Agreed that voting isn't a good idea.

    Being able to suggest is a whole other game from the community just deciding overall.

  6.   Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread.   #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Oly View Post
    Agreed that voting isn't a good idea.

    Being able to suggest is a whole other game from the community just deciding overall.
    Can you elaborate on this? Voting can be used in combination with a lot of other proposed ideas in this thread, and I definitely was not trying to suggest it would be the only change made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoPachi View Post
    Voting would take too long for anyone not super popular. I also feel like that'd be an unnecessary workload for staff. I like the other ideas better.
    Originally I was thinking there would be a page where people could browse proposed tags. Others have already suggested they like the idea of having a thing where they can browse submissions that need tags and add them, and this would be similar, but it wouldn't require as much effort. That would give every submission equal exposure.

    What extra work would this give staff? Staff already have to deal with tagging disputes.

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    Voting sounds like a nice idea in theory, but like you said earlier there have only been ~500 people that have even bothered to add any tags in the first place, so I'd worry that there wouldn't be enough engagement to make it worthwhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxid View Post
    Voting sounds like a nice idea in theory, but like you said earlier there have only been ~500 people that have even bothered to add any tags in the first place, so I'd worry that there wouldn't be enough engagement to make it worthwhile
    This was a thing I was thinking about, and I think there's ways of getting the community more involved with tagging. I do also like the idea of showing people a series of random submissions and asking them to add a few tags.

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    Voting sounds more complicated than it needs to be to me, both in function and in effort to implement on a technical level. Also agreed that for anyone who isn't real popular it would be slow. It just sounds clunky to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly View Post
    Voting sounds more complicated than it needs to be to me, both in function and in effort to implement on a technical level. Also agreed that for anyone who isn't real popular it would be slow. It just sounds clunky to me.
    I'm not too concerned with the technical side of things at the moment. How would it be slow for people who weren't popular if there was a page listing all submissions with pending tags?

 

 

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