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    Politics and stuff

    Please tell me I'm not the only one excited for tonights debates? So What are your views on the hot topics and politics?

    such as
    war
    Education
    The war on pot
    Tabbacco use ( If it should be banned on so forth.)
    Pro-life / Pro-Choice
    Gay Marriage
    Gun Control
    .... and so on. These are just off the top of my head so feel free to add more!

    I'm just wondering you can debate but keep it civil!

    (also.. is this the right place to put this?? orr?? if not feel free to move it. )

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    I was a bit disappointed with the presidential debate to be honest. Jim Lehrer did almost nothing to keep them in their time frame. Other than the ah..........uh...........uh...... etc. He should've been more aggressive like "Governor Romney, your time is up, Governor you time is up, you're over 30 seconds now, your time is up" the entire time while he (or Obama) was talking. I'll leave it at that. I could say more, but I don't want to get into a heated argument around here. >.>

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    Yo, let's stay on topic

    war

    It's a drain on the economy, especially when it's overburdened by record debt and deficits. Not to mention the dangerous disdain it stokes in foreign lands for what is regarded there as imperial conquest.

    Education

    Needs reform. Plenty of money flowing into it, though the actual efficiency of the system has stagnated if not gotten worse.

    The war on pot


    War on drugs is a farce. Understand it from a geopolitics perspective but ultimately it creates crime and an economy for gangs which destroys inner cities and the communities within.

    Tabbacco use ( If it should be banned on so forth.)

    Nope. Though I don't personally mind or care about the campaign to make aware of it's health effects.

    Pro-life / Pro-Choice

    Pro choice

    Gay Marriage

    FIESTA

    Gun Control

    no thx
    guns aren't the root of the crime. If someone wanted to harm someone and couldn't get a gun, they'll instead grab a knife. Besides, like all form of prohibition, it just creates an illegal market that funnels wealth into criminal elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawst View Post
    Gun Control

    no thx
    guns aren't the root of the crime. If someone wanted to harm someone and couldn't get a gun, they'll instead grab a knife. Besides, like all form of prohibition, it just creates an illegal market that funnels wealth into criminal elements.
    A liberal who doesn't believe in overbearing gun control. I'd thought I'd never see the day...

    Also, I do agree with you on the military. Focus on a smaller, more efficient, military mainly focused on homeland defense, rather than manhunts for individuals who won't affect the world stage much if they are killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RX-149Dragonite View Post
    A liberal who doesn't believe in overbearing gun control. I'd thought I'd never see the day...

    Also, I do agree with you on the military. Focus on a smaller, more efficient, military mainly focused on homeland defense, rather than manhunts for individuals who won't affect the world stage much if they are killed.
    hahaha lol I GET THAT ALOT
    I like to consider arguments on both sides of the matter. Nations like Switzerland, while having fantastic functioning social welfare nets, have very loose gun ownership laws and they don't have any problems. The media has a tendency to sensationalize violent gun stories committed by psychopaths rather that say, events where a robbery was stopped by a dude who happened to have a gun on him.

    I like the whole "Speak softy, but carry a big stick" approach to military. There are many uses for a strong military, especially with regards to reacting to national emergencies like devastating national disasters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawst View Post
    The media has a tendency to sensationalize violent gun stories committed by psychopaths rather that say, events where a robbery was stopped by a dude who happened to have a gun on him.
    THIS SO MUCH

    Did you notice after the Aurora, CO theater shooting the number of generic gun-related news stories that popped up in mainstream news? The media loves to open the floodgates whenever something big happens, even if subsequent events aren't as bad as the original news sensation. Plus, people get shot all the time across the country, but nobody cares unless it's a sensational story.

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    Politic-wise, I'm against democracy.

    The People isn't apt to elect its leaders, they don't know how a country works and votes are too easily bought with pretty promises, bribes, looks and body language.

    I'm all for platonism.

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    War

    Why do we have it? What is it accomplishing? What were our objectives going in? What are our objectives now? Why should we continue it?

    To my knowledge, none of the answers to these questions are reasonable to me, so... I think we should probably stop.

    Education

    Public education is clearly just not working as it should. I would argue it's better than nothing, but so is a book to the face. Honestly, we're too scared to fail people it seems, and students know that. Teachers apply curves, bend deadlines, and teach to tests rather than focus on actual education. Grades are determined not by how much you've learned, but more on how well you follow directions, or on how well you craft excuses.

    There's also the steady removal of everything that isn't a rhetoric, math, or science course. I'm not saying base out education on the cultural side of things, just don't strip it out entirely, it's good for kids to experience more than just academia. Hell, if you need to extend the schoolday a bit, fucking do it.

    The War on Pot

    Honestly, I don't agree with any kind of drug misuse. Smoking, pot, alcohol, etc. Hell, I'll drink, but I don't really hold any interest in getting "drunk". That said, I know people will do this shit no matter what we do, and honestly pot is not the worst thing out there (you won't get me to touch it, but eyh).

    I've heard and been engaged in a lot of dumb discussions on pot, and been subjected to the topic when my job involved being the gatekeeper of cigarettes, and honestly my opinion is this: apply the same laws regarding pot and driving that is used for alcohol, apply any smoking laws to also apply to smoking pot, tax the shit out of it, and implement some health/quality standards for it. Also, on a non-gov't level, people who smoke pot, don't be annoying about it.

    Tobacco Use

    If people want to slowly kill themselves and waste their money, they're free to it on this front. Just keep smoking away from people who don't.

    Pro-Life/Pro-Choice

    There are too many factors in the circumstances of pregnancy to take the stubborn-as-hell view of "It's alive, don't kill it". So long as it's not too far along in pregnancy, it's the woman's right to choose. It's her life, her future, her body. I'd rather a child not be brought into this world that would be either unwanted or into a family that couldn't support it.

    If you think the right to chose something like that is wrong, that's your business. Don't subject everyone else to your near arbitrary moral standards.

    Gay Marriage

    First step, let's stop calling it marriage for the time being. I know, I know... 'we deserve equal rights blah blah blah', we'll get there eventually nerds. Start of by calling it a Civil Union or whatnot, which significantly more people are in favor of than 'Gay Marriage' and get some rights, and then fight to get the rest of them.

    Honestly, I don't care if I can get 'married', I just want the same rights as marriage. I don't want to force churches to conduct actions they don't agree with, forced by the law to do so, but hell if they want to they're certainly free to do so.

    Gun Control

    The people who abuse gun use, the people gun control mostly targets, are not obtain guns legally anyway, so what's the point? If someone buys a gun for a non-illegal purpose, and slips up, hold them accountable.

    That said, there are many people who shouldn't own guns because they don't know how to use them (me). If people are going to buy guns, let's institute some sort of way to encourage them to go learn how to use it. Regularly.

    Though, I'm fine with banning the sale/acquisition of certain types of firearms without some sort of permit. Pistol for protection? Reasonable. A combat sniper? Maybe not... Fit hunting wherever you like in there I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibuuyk View Post
    Politic-wise, I'm against democracy.
    Good thing we have a republic, and not a democracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judicant View Post
    War

    Why do we have it? What is it accomplishing? What were our objectives going in? What are our objectives now? Why should we continue it?
    The typical response is to protect the country, but to go into more detail, it's really to protect the country's interests abroad, which honestly is what you're supposed to do as a country. However, the US has gone about protecting its interests abroad all wrong, for the most part.


    To my knowledge, none of the answers to these questions are reasonable to me, so... I think we should probably stop.
    In an ideal world, yeah that would be nice.

    Education

    Public education is clearly just not working as it should. I would argue it's better than nothing, but so is a book to the face. Honestly, we're too scared to fail people it seems, and students know that. Teachers apply curves, bend deadlines, and teach to tests rather than focus on actual education. Grades are determined not by how much you've learned, but more on how well you follow directions, or on how well you craft excuses.
    There's also the steady removal of everything that isn't a rhetoric, math, or science course. I'm not saying base out education on the cultural side of things, just don't strip it out entirely, it's good for kids to experience more than just academia. Hell, if you need to extend the schoolday a bit, fucking do it.
    Both of these thoughts make me think that high school needs to be less general education minded and more preparatory minded, either preparing for jobs and/or college. Also, really, what's killing public education is the chokehold teacher unions have on schools.

    The War on Pot

    Honestly, I don't agree with any kind of drug misuse. Smoking, pot, alcohol, etc. Hell, I'll drink, but I don't really hold any interest in getting "drunk". That said, I know people will do this shit no matter what we do, and honestly pot is not the worst thing out there (you won't get me to touch it, but eyh).

    I've heard and been engaged in a lot of dumb discussions on pot, and been subjected to the topic when my job involved being the gatekeeper of cigarettes, and honestly my opinion is this: apply the same laws regarding pot and driving that is used for alcohol, apply any smoking laws to also apply to smoking pot, tax the shit out of it, and implement some health/quality standards for it. Also, on a non-gov't level, people who smoke pot, don't be annoying about it.
    Agreed.

    Pro-Life/Pro-Choice

    There are too many factors in the circumstances of pregnancy to take the stubborn-as-hell view of "It's alive, don't kill it". So long as it's not too far along in pregnancy, it's the woman's right to choose. It's her life, her future, her body. I'd rather a child not be brought into this world that would be either unwanted or into a family that couldn't support it.

    If you think the right to chose something like that is wrong, that's your business. Don't subject everyone else to your near arbitrary moral standards.
    I can tell you're quite the libertarian, and that's nice.

    Gay Marriage

    First step, let's stop calling it marriage for the time being. I know, I know... 'we deserve equal rights blah blah blah', we'll get there eventually nerds. Start of by calling it a Civil Union or whatnot, which significantly more people are in favor of than 'Gay Marriage' and get some rights, and then fight to get the rest of them. Honestly, I don't care if I can get 'married', I just want the same rights as marriage. I don't want to force churches to conduct actions they don't agree with, forced by the law to do so, but hell if they want to they're certainly free to do so.

    I think the problem lies less in the definition of "marriage" and how homosexuality fits in that and more in the fact that most states don't extend the same rights that regular married couples have to homosexual couples, which really isn't fair. But, such things are a state topic and should remain a state topic, and not an issue the federal government needs to fiddle around with.

    Gun Control

    The people who abuse gun use, the people gun control mostly targets, are not obtain guns legally anyway, so what's the point? If someone buys a gun for a non-illegal purpose, and slips up, hold them accountable.
    Yep. Gun control only works until it doesn't work, which is often. The Aurora, CO theater shooting? The guy had no prior criminal record and passed the state's background checks when he decided he wanted to purchase a gun. Gun control will never 100% even if you decide to ban the sale of firearms all together. People will find a way to get the weapon they want. And think of it this way, at least you can walk through a city street without fearing of tripping over an AK-47 every step, so be happy with the gun control we have now, it could be much much worse.

    That said, there are many people who shouldn't own guns because they don't know how to use them (me). If people are going to buy guns, let's institute some sort of way to encourage them to go learn how to use it. Regularly.
    This, this and this. Not to mention that most people who cry out against guns don't know a single thing about them, e.g. calling magazines "clips", thinking an average hunting rifle fires baby-seeking missiles, etc. Seriously, stuff like the Brady Campaign is so misinformed it's funny.

    Though, I'm fine with banning the sale/acquisition of certain types of firearms without some sort of permit. Pistol for protection? Reasonable. A combat sniper? Maybe not... Fit hunting wherever you like in there I guess.
    What if I want to shoot at soup cans from miles away?

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    The military kind of pisses me off. For a few reasons. Not to belittle those who go into it for good purposes, but there is a lot wrong with the ideas behind it. I'll only post one here.

    Well...back before the world wars we were isolationists and didn't want anything to do with anyone else. For a while we wanted to keep to ourselves especially after the devastation of the first world war. Then the depression hit....then pearl harbor...then we got involved in the end of the war. When this happened we put our people to work to help support the military. This gave people back jobs and put money in their pockets. Not to mention other countries ended up owing us money by the end of it.
    We then realized war could make profit. We have made it a business almost. HOWEVER it no longer works in our society and the modern economic system. So now it is a giant burden that sucks up all our cash.

    This is a really messy compressed version of one of the reasons I believe we are so war happy in the US.
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