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  1. #81
    Frankly, given my relatively poor metrics on Weasyl for my art compared to elsewhere, I am thinking that Weasyl needs more compelling features to bring people over. While others in this thread have done better than elsewhere, I've gotten fractions of views and comments, even with my participation with others.

    Here's a compelling feature that you can use to bring over artists and watchers with much less effort: Fast-track development of a batch uploader that does not generate notifications. (Note again, this is NOT a scraper, which I know was already ruled out) If you make it to where artists can port over their gallery, it means that their portfolio will be in place.

    I have over 3,000 pieces of art on that other site that is hated here. My time is precious; I would rather spend it creating new things rather than slowly using Waxposter to migrate art. At the rate Waxposter takes, it would be months before I could move things over; it's a time-consuming and tedious process. Mass import of art is a killer feature; some other sites have this already.

    Oh yeah, and it would also be nice if the folders could be at least have an option to be sorted by alpha order instead of date order. That way it makes it easy to move comics over and help with the navigation. That'd also be a killer feature.
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    I'm sorry for this long ass post, I'm currently not on as much and can't reply as often.

    Off-topic drivel or those arguing what Weasyl is or isn't...

    I don't understand why there needs to be *emphasis* put on whether it's a "Furry art site" or even a "*General* art site. When it's simply an art site, with little restrictions on what you can upload. The staff have tried to make it clear that Weasyl is nothing more and nothing less. Their private and personal interests shouldn't even be brought up, it has nothing to do with site's goals or purpose. It also doesn't really matter who makes up the majority, so long as the site grows and reaches it's goals.

    People wanting this place to be like a better version of Furaffinity (or deviant art (I was guilty of the latter)) need to understand that Weasyl is neither. It's fine to compare, but format is also limited. It's like people calling any voxel based game a minecraft copy-cat.

    I think some Furries feel as if Weasyl is blissfully ignoring a golden opportunity, by not becoming the "new exclusive clubhouse". When there seems to be a great demand for one, and the so called competitor, is apparently a sinking ship. People in general have this weird idea of how "competition" works ONLINE, but I won't go into that. I know this "New exclusive club house" idea will be a re-occurring head-ache, until something changes. Especially with the issues over at Fur Affinity, How this place came to be, and what have you...

    Like Ganache and others have said, "Fuzzy" or "Not", people can enjoy other things and tolerate people independent of labels. Advertising and promoting Weasyl outside of the furry fandom can and will be beneficial (whenever that does happen). Besides I don't think the furry community here isn't going anywhere. I also highly doubt Furs are ever going to be kicked out the proverbial clubhouse they created. This really shouldn't be a concern...

    I'm sure the staff and community won't put up with ass-hats who bring nothing but trouble.




    FEEL FREE TO TL;DR. I just want the admins & staff to see this.

    Weasyl is easy on the eyes, albeit a little confusing first time around. Tags and filters- are useful, but there needs to be efforts to either improve it OR "familiarize" people with it. Profiles and banners are great, but I wish there was more. The community is small, but there's a lot of potential for growth. Those looking for more personal interactions or tight knits will try here.

    Besides page layout, thumbnails and tagging.
    Group features are really needed. People need to be able to communicate, compile and share things that interest them. It will encourage people to properly tag and interact more. It will help different groups and fandoms to grow and co-exist. It'll also lessen the demand for categories, although people are still going to want them because it's familiar and their urge to compartmentalize.

    I honestly would try to bring my circle of sci-fi friends here, if Weasyl had group features. I'm not asking for our own basement one level down away from furries. I'm asking for another way to find and share things besides JUST TAGS. Why bring them here, when they can do that and more- everywhere else?

    The secondary toolbar in the middle of the page, I think it belongs up top, above latest uploads. Because it's site navigation with 1 row of thumbnails displaying organized content.
    Another is Journals, why isn't there a link for it on the second toolbar like everything else?
    The footer at the bottom feels too big and has a lot of empty space. Maybe it can be minimized by moving some things up top, especially if a sidebar is ever added. I assume most people don't bother with footers all that often anyways. I would also like to have the option to hide thumbnail titles and author. Unless I mouse over it, why should I know things about stuff I'm not interested in viewing? It'll also make room for other features & thumbnails.

    As for the staff, they are responsive and good intended. However, I take issue with them tolerating people spreading "white male guilt" (Oh I'm sorry I mean "awareness" ) and other kinds of passive aggressive bullshit...

    For example, calling one of the staff a fucking child molesting pedophile for simply moderating the forums just gets you a tap on the wrist. I'm sorry but I don't see how letting obvious troll attempts OR repeat offenders stick around, being beneficial to the site. You know who and what I'm talking about. No offence, but why are you guys so dam limp wristed when it comes to the ban-hammer? Even when you have every right to penalize or punish some one (myself included, there was a warning) you don't do it. That type of shit drives me nuts.



    Zeitzbach, what exactly does "Uniqueness" mean?
    it seems like a fluff word like "originallity", "awesome" or "cool". Weasyl needs more ____!

    Most Art sites & galleries are going to have similarities, and there needs to be a degree of familiarity. What Weasyl needs, is to do what it does- but better, and that's providing a space & tools for users & creators to interact with each other. The space doesn't have to be a internet hugbox or group specific, just friendly enough to get new people on here so they can find their "niche" whatever that may be. As for the tools, they need to be easy, findable, familiar, and useful.

    I don't think an "inspire" feature would be good QT Melon because it's unnecessary. It can better accomplished through hyper/links, private messages, comments, and description boxes, as Tara said. The only thing an "inspire" feature would do is encourage more silent or passive browsing. The same will happen if you include "image previews". Much like drive by downloading or faving.

    I'm not sure what you can and can't upload, but more submission or file formats are always good, as others have suggested. It'll keep users on-site longer versus leaving to get access to something.

    Vae brings up a good point about Markdown formatting. Even though it's cleaner & less characters, it's UNFAMILIAR...

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    R-rated content is another issue, but I'm glad Weasyl isn't pro-censorship in that regard.
    For example, People not using the mature and explicit content ratings appropriately. Then there's people with this insecurity or "guilt by association" complex with their peers, employers and public image. These things can be resolved by taking lessons from social media sites. For example you can find and come across "R-rated" content on tumblr, twitter, google+, etc. Those are popular sites and people aren't having this "moral guilt complex" (I don't know what the fuck I should call it).

    Maybe it's different for art sites, IDK. I guess that's why there's art sites dedicated to "R rated" content. I don't know of any (popular) general art sites that allow "R-rated" content. Deviant Art comes to mind but I think their pretty strict and narrow on their mature content guidelines.



    (FYI: People who go out of their way to find shit they don't want or like are their own dam problem)
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by sethtriggs View Post
    I have over 3,000 pieces of art on that other site that is hated here. My time is precious; I would rather spend it creating new things rather than slowly using Waxposter to migrate art. At the rate Waxposter takes, it would be months before I could move things over; it's a time-consuming and tedious process. Mass import of art is a killer feature; some other sites have this already
    I see this all the time from furry artists migrating and tbh my real question is more "why are you trying to migrate thousands of pieces anyway?" - i mean what people do is their own thing sure, but I really wonder what the compelling reason is that a whole archive needs to be recreated and that a site should cater to that at all.
    Right now Weasyl lets you not notify your followers when you upload, it filters uploads off the main page so you can't "flood", and really, if you are bothering to reupload it, why be that concerned that people are going to look at it. If it's not something you want people to see as the first impression of your work/gallery, why put it in your gallery as a representation of your work?

    i mean I also don't get the "EVIL SQUARE THUMBNAILS!!" thing either, so there's that. (it just doesn't bother me at all. it feels really snide to dislike the site over such a non-problem imo)


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    also involuntary tic over markup being called "obscure" ; reddit uses it, tumblr uses it, gchat/hangouts/gmail uses a version of it, many sites use it. Just because you have a RTE *option* doesn't mean that the other options are not there and being used, and really, I find bbcode to be more rarefied, even if it is just html in square brackets. Better documentation, though, as I've said in other threads.


    anyway, I'm another furry-friendly/historical furry/whatever anthro artist who draws more humans and fantasy humanoids who thinks that Weasyl's value is in it's general purpose. And it's erotica-friendly too! That's also a huge huuuge selling point for me, there are basically no art sites that allow erotic works and have a social art site format. In english, I mean. That doesn't make me feel weird for not drawing manga-style. And has work that is also non-erotic so you don't feel like you're working for free for a porn site. And doesn't have restrictions that make it hard for me as someone who draws a lot of queerly gendered quasi-humans.

    As far as views go, in general my totally non-furry erotic stuff gets way more views on a "furry specialty" site than it does here, but my non-furry non-mature/AO work gets more views here and overlooked on FA. It's an interesting disparity.

    I honestly think Weasyl's competition is not sites like dA or FA, but other formats like microblogging on tumblr etc. Tumblr is a real hub of fandom activity in general, and a lot of art. Some aspects, it's like if dA and LJ and fanfiction.net all became one site. With a side of keenspace/drunkduck/whatevercomicshost and wordpress/blogger. I see more (pro and semi-pro) artists put emphasis on their use of tumblr, twitter, and facebook than on keeping galleries like this one. It sucks in some ways, because there are advantages to this format, too, as far as community-building. dA is starting to become more tumblr-like in format, and I guess that says something about who's leading who, and who's ideas you should be building from.
    apathetic.

  4. #84
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    Wow guys, we're just furries wanting to meet other furries, don't take it all so seriously gawsh.

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    I agree, like any move, it's a great opportunity to decide what you really want to keep, and what to toss. If you have a long running comic, maybe you should take it as an opportunity to introduce it to a new audience. Take a little time while you're having your coffee, or waiting for Photoshop to save to post a few pages at a time. Instead of annoying people with a massive dump, you now have people looking forward to the next installment, and maybe even putting you on their watch list so they can follow along. If you don't want to write up a submission for every single one, use something like Open Office to stick a few in a PDF, and submit that.

    Here's an example of a comic I submitted in PDF form https://www.weasyl.com/submission/93...tterfly-effect
    Granted, this would get pretty unwieldy if you tried to put more than a few pages in, which comes to my wish list for Weasyl. There are already some standard formats for ebooks and ecomics. How hard would it be for Weasyl to support some of those?

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by batbot View Post
    I see this all the time from furry artists migrating and tbh my real question is more "why are you trying to migrate thousands of pieces anyway?" - i mean what people do is their own thing sure, but I really wonder what the compelling reason is that a whole archive needs to be recreated and that a site should cater to that at all.
    Right now Weasyl lets you not notify your followers when you upload, it filters uploads off the main page so you can't "flood", and really, if you are bothering to reupload it, why be that concerned that people are going to look at it. If it's not something you want people to see as the first impression of your work/gallery, why put it in your gallery as a representation of your work?
    One reason is that almost 1/3 of that gallery (and I am willing to even assume that 2/3 won't be moved over) is the comic that's built so much of my audience recently. This means that all of its link navigation would have to be rebuilt, but the folder feature takes a lot of the effort out of that at least. The comics are also a contiguous story, meaning that it is important to have all of the bits of it. As I've said here before, I'm willing to leave the rest of the gallery behind as long as it's easier to port the comics. As a test case, I tried it with just one of the smaller books, and it really chewed up a ton of time.

    The other thing that's very important about porting art over is not only to back it up in case (you know, like how the snarkier of the critics keep telling artists to do, "don't put all your eggs in one basket"), but to also provide a portfolio and body of work. There are people who have watched me just from browsing my gallery and seeing the wide variety of things I draw. It is also something that's important for showing that I have a history of producing lots of art and that I am to be trusted for commissions.

    So that body of work is important for first impressions.

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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitzbach View Post
    I would worry because it takes way too long to really do anything. [...]

    When I came back to Weasyl, the outside impression showed that nothing really changed and it was the reason I didn't upload all the new pictures I drew over the year to it.
    If that's the case, the number one issue isn't a lack of ideas for features (as the posts in this thread have shown - there are some good suggestions), but the lack of their implementation. If so, I don't have much to add other than that I hope it gets done (eventually).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara View Post
    If that's the case, the number one issue isn't a lack of ideas for features (as the posts in this thread have shown - there are some good suggestions), but the lack of their implementation. If so, I don't have much to add other than that I hope it gets done (eventually).
    This is why it's a good idea to look for solutions that don't require some new feature that has yet to be implemented, because you could have a very long wait. This is not a slam on Weasyl, just recognizing that ultimately, this is someone's hobby, and they don't always have the time or resources to tackle all of our wish lists. This certainly isn't unique to Weasyl either.

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    Indeed. But in order for any change to happen, something, well, needs to change. Weasyl's current status isn't entirely because it lacks certain features, so it's true that the focus shouldn't entirely be there.

    I want Weasyl to work out. And it's understandable that things take time, effort and resources. I personally don't mind waiting. In the meantime, I'll attempt to post, comment and link.

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    I wonder how much we can do to resolve our own gripes with Weasyl in terms of coding/API.
    (Instead of waiting for the staff to do everything)

    I would be interested in doing something to improve the site IF I knew (or learnt) some coding.
    Noxid and his Weasyl enhancer sets a pretty good example.

    I think a lot of us take the staff here for granted and expect too much sometimes.
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