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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsys View Post
    I imagine DeviantArt would be an example of a site that works well for non-artists. Art is searchable by category and popular (assumed to be better) art floats to the top. If you find an artist you like you can see who they like, which gives you the best and fastest method for finding new artwork you'll enjoy.
    well the real reason why non-artists can and have used DA is more due to the fact that you can upload almost anything there that isn't explicit porn. They have a category specifically for memes even, and the scraps category allows them to upload video game character screen shots and dollmaker dolls. Being allowed to upload stuff that is not objectively considered 'art', is basically what creates an environment for non-artists. And weasyl is faarrr from that, we're incredibly restrictive in what we allow to be posted by comparison, which already makes weasyl intimidating to non-artists.

    but as far as facilitating artists, I know there are a few things in the woodworks that will be awesome when finished. One of the things I do hope we feature later on is grouped posts, or 'books'. You can see it on places like pixiv where a single entry can have multiple pages. you could upload sequential comics this way without posting, say, a super long image. people could also upload multiple views of the say, the same sculpture as a single entry, curbing the amount of 'duplicate entries'. Also figuring out how best to manage the tagging system will help everyone.

    Even more awesome would be the ability to search based on the commission status people have. just being able to see who all is open for commissions, trades, or requests, right at this moment, would be a boon to both artists and non-artists alike. being able to see the filled list in the search would be best.

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    Ah, so you mean having a site that non-artist can post content to and have it be part of the browsing experience (with the necessary category/tagging system to keep it organized from everything else).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsys View Post
    Ah, so you mean having a site that non-artist can post content to and have it be part of the browsing experience (with the necessary category/tagging system to keep it organized from everything else).
    Yeah, in my experience non-artists are more likely to stick around and participate when they can upload objectionably non-art things. If they don't have that then you have to really make some of the additional features worth it to have an account.

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    My two cents on the original concept of this thread and the original question at hand:

    What is the value of such a thing in the long run? Is turning Weasyl into the "new FA" // new furry mainsite hub thing truly more beneficial in the long haul than catering to both furry and general artists' wants and needs? I think the answer is no. True, there would be an immediate boom in new users that would be directly correlated with FA's userbase should Weasyl decide it's a "furry site" but over a longer period of time, the dust would settle and Weasyl would either stay stable or start falling apart depending on outside factors. As a general art site it has only one competitor as opposed to the multiple it would have as a furry art site (as someone else pointed out), and it would indeed close doors on general artists even if it allows for general art. Closing more doors than you open is plain and simply, a bad business decision. Also on a sidenote, it would potentially be directly associating itself as FA's rival, so to speak, which is a very stupid move based on just the dramatic state of it's community right now, especially so early in it's creation, completely aside from the general competition with other furry art sites. On that note, has anyone even defined what makes a site "furry" beyond labeling itself as such? I thought it was just a focus on anthro artwork, but is there something that I'm totally missing that makes a site furry? Because a lot of people here seem determined that having a furry userbase and staff who happen to be furs automatically makes a website furry, and this is not the impression I had when I joined. In fact it not being explicitly labeled furry is the exact reason I joined in the first place. Getting a bit more personal, I'm a furry who has been long sick and tired of both FA and DA, frantically searching for an alternative, and Weasyl suits my needs perfectly. Their goals cater to my needs and desires as an artist, it's in the early beta stages so it's a pretty clean slate as far as the community goes, and it lets me post all the types of artwork that I do as opposed to just a fraction. As of right now, it's become my main hub, I'm even in the process of moving things over from prior galleries and making it my only art gallery so I can branch off into smaller directions where I upload fractions of my art elsewhere [like elfwood] (not including my art+social things like instagram and my "art shop" like etsy). If it were to suddenly cater to only a specific and small branch of my artistic abilities, I think I'd consider leaving, honestly (or I'd at least be extremely disappointed as I turned it into my furry branch), and I know I'm not the only one. It's just another closed door to step in that direction, and for what, a small boom in furry members? On the other hand, though, who leaves if they remain a general site? I'll place my bets on nobody, because it's what brought them here in the first place; if they leave it's certainly not because Weasyl staff put their foot down and said "Weasyl is a general art site...still!" lolz

    That said, people have asked "where do you go for general art?" {in reference to the suggestion Weasyl advertises at fur cons etc.) and the answer to that is: anywhere. Comic and anime conventions AS WELL AS fur cons, art supply shops, craft and craft supply stores, stores like Color Me Mine (pottery painting places) and Whimsy (a store you can go in to learn how to paint and/or paint by the hour) could have posters and/or cards advertising Weasyl as a hub to store images of your work and show them off in a personal gallery, libraries, book clubs and stores, music stores, hell even adult stores of all sorts depending on what Weasyl is looking to mainly attract - the possibilities are limitless because "general art" has limitless possibilities. Furry art, however, is limited immensely. And sending two people to two different conventions (in reference to the comment about Comic Con vs. Anthro Con) is efficient; you wouldn't hire two sign dancers to hold the same sign when you can have them both sign dancing on separate streets and drumming up more business. And even if you only have one guy to "sign dance" // go to the con, flip flopping year after year will probably be more beneficial to you than sticking to a single convention and group of the same type of people and the same type of artists. And frankly, if you do wanna stick to one con, Comic Con has a wider variety of people, fans, and artists than the smaller by comparison furry community (no offense to us furs, it's strictly factual).

    Bottom line: In the long run, there are FAR more opportunities with general art than there are a specific niche such as the furry community...especially when general art is inclusive of furry art! This is a point I believe someone else has brought up already, but I want to emphasize to a point of almost redundancy.

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    More directly to the conversation going on...

    Weasyl is still in Beta, so obviously it doesn't have all the features it wants and needs to function 100% tip top, and so arguements about whether or not Weasyl can validly compete with the several ideas of what may or may not be Weasyl's "direct competitor(s)" really aren't of significance right now. If your beef (furry related or not) directly correlates to your concerns about what Weasyl lacks and/or if your beef about Weasyl isn't directly related to the discussion about whether or not Weasyl should or shouldn't be furry, you should totally post your wishlist to the suggestions subforum; of course the staff gotta mod all parts of their forum so they're read by someone on staff (as made clear with staff responses c, but I'm pretty sure that your thoughts will be better heard individually in their own threads than they would be here where they have to be sifted through (not trying to mini-mod just pointing this out cuz there are some really wonderful suggestions going on in here).

    Sorry if I'm really abrasive, and I hope my thoughts add to the discussion in a helpful way c:

 

 

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