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    The SoFurry Horror Story and One Simple Question

    Pull up a chair, my lovelies, for I have quite the tale to tell.

    A few months ago, six specifically, I decided to make a SoFurry account and start posting a really really dumb couch comedy room-mate series of sorts, just to see if I was able to keep something of a routine up over a longer period of time. It turns out I could, but the results were downright gruesome. But that's not why we're here. We're here because I have a cautionary tale to tell. Laughing at my literary garbage is another matter entirely.

    I stumbled upon SoFurry simply because I was looking for a place to post written work. Yes, I tried Furaffinity. That site is to writing what a crowbar is to a kneecap. You can't post consistent writing on it because it doesn't have folder settings, and nobody reads anything that isn't porn. So, like the naive idiot that I am, I went to SoFurry since it seemed to be far more writer-friendly than Furaffnity.

    Nobody reads anything that isn't porn. Anywhere. ESPECIALLY on SoFurry.

    That page has an utterly dumb submission system that basically makes it impossible for new writers to get read because the amount of time you get on the front page under 'new' is determined by how many submissions get posted in a certain time-frame. If six more people post their stuff after you, and there's only six slots in the 'new' tab, you're gone. Your submission will be put into the 'browse' section, and the only people who use the 'browse' section are the people who want really very specific pornography. But there's still the problem of nobody reading your stuff! If you don't write porn, fugeddaboutit! You're not getting any followers, any watches, anything. You barely get views, let alone something as drastic and time-consuming as reviews or, God forbid, critiques. For five months I toiled away at something that was terrible but nobody bothered to tell me it was terrible. Because nobody read it and nobody cared. They have a five-star rating system. I have posted some fifteen chapters, each 2500 words. Out of fifteen chapters, the first one was rated 5/5. None of the others were rated. Ever. It takes one click! ONE! CLICK!

    So I got fed up with it. I gave up and moved to greener pastures. So, what I'm interested in here is simple: Do people read things that aren't porn on this site? Can I expect watches/follows/reviews/or even just yelling if what I submit is terrible? Is there a point to being a furry writer anymore? Or should I simply give in to the peer pressure and start writing porn?

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    Well, the way I see it, lit's a hard sell. Perhaps even harder than music, although I don't really have much experience to say other than observations of my own habits.

    With visual art, you've got something that can quickly grab people's eye, and when (if?) they go to the page, they can pretty much take in the whole thing in under 30 seconds in most cases, and then decide whether they want to give feedback, favourite, or just move on.
    With literature on the other hand, it's a /commitment/. You need to take time out of your browsing to sit down with a story and work through it before you can decide whether you like it or not. And furthermore, you often don't know if the story you're about to read is going to be entertaining - it can be disappointing, perhaps even aggravating, to give something a fair shot and realize halfway through that you've just spent 15 minutes trudging through someone's mental diarrhoea.

    So, what can you do? I'm not really sure. I guess if you can find an audience - somehow - and get people who read your stories to come back for more, then you've got your foot in the door and can get some feedback. The forum might not be a bad place to start in and of itself - for people who come to a forum EXPECT to spend time reading posts and so the barrier to entry is lower than say, Joe Fox cruising thumbnails on the front page of FurAffinity. Maybe also getting in touch with other authors (that don't just write smut), because well of course they probably are avid readers as well, and probably can also give somewhat meaningful feedback.
    Another option could be to just strong-arm people into reading your stuff, pick them up by the scruff of their neck and grind their faces into the dirt until they agree to read your story. But I don't think this is entirely healthy in the long run.
    Maybe you already know this stuff, idk, I'm just riffing at this point.

    I'll be frank though - in my experience, people on weasyl just don't seem to comment as much. Maybe the balance of the demographic is shifted more heavily towards creators of content than consumers, who are usually spending more time making their own stuff than commenting on other people's. Maybe it's just that there's less people overall, so it just seems like less comments in comparison. Either way, it's a bit troubling. Maybe they should gamify the comments system like reddit or something ;3
    (that would probably be a really terrible idea and I'm not to be held responsible for it)

    Anyway, I wish you luck with your writing. You've got a tough road to walk.

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    Yes! they do. I put up the story Joshua and the GargaTom a few days ago and it has been read nearly a hundred times.
    I think it was at 95 the last time I checked. Granted only Manna has offered some critique and it has not been fav-ed but that may be because I don't think it is all that good. I put a couple of other little things on here and they have been read as well, so I would say yes.
    I do not write porn, sorry but I will never write porn. I believe a story should be able to stand on its own, without any outright sex.
    Oh there is some sexual tension, that is a good thing, but not porn.
    The hard part is the format stuff, give it a try, have fun, and look forward to reading something.

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    *skims thread*

    I can't fap to this! *leaves*


    In all seriousness, I don't know much about the literary side of this site since I'm not a writer, but I say you should still go with what you want to write. Even if it is difficult to get the feedback you are looking for, keep at it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxid View Post
    Another option could be to just strong-arm people into reading your stuff, pick them up by the scruff of their neck and grind their faces into the dirt until they agree to read your story. But I don't think this is entirely healthy in the long run.
    Maybe you already know this stuff, idk, I'm just riffing at this point.
    How would you do that? You can't beat someone up over the internet (regrettably).

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxid View Post
    Anyway, I wish you luck with your writing. You've got a tough road to walk.
    Ain't that the truth

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    Step 1 - Find a captive audience
    An IRC channel, forum, subreddit - someplace people are gonna be forced to see it.

    Step 2 - Ask for feedback
    People will be more likely to respond if they have something they can directly reply to, and people are more likely to do something if told or reminded. You know how all those big youtube channels usually have a thing on the end that says "Like, Comment and Subscribe"? It does have an effect.

    Step 3 - Be persistent
    pretty much goes without saying, but if you don't give up, EVENTUALLY someone is going to crack.

    Step 4 (optional) - single out a weak member of the herd and go in for the kill
    If step 2 doesn't work, then find someone you can engage in one-on-one conversation and politely ask them if they have time to read your story, then ask for feedback on it. This guerilla tactic is not UN-sanctioned and will almost always work by forcing people to acknowledge you directly, stripping them from the social safety of the bystander effect. Be warned as this may backfire if used improperly.

    the general idea though is not to rely on having your audience find you - you need to find them. Thus, you're imposing yourself by putting people in a situation where they have no choice but to read it.

    I have a weird way of saying it, but I think it's generally true unless you're wicked talented or do work that appeals to people's specific interests such as fanart / fetishes / etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxid View Post
    Step 1 - Find a captive audience
    An IRC channel, forum, subreddit - someplace people are gonna be forced to see it.

    Step 2 - Ask for feedback
    People will be more likely to respond if they have something they can directly reply to, and people are more likely to do something if told or reminded. You know how all those big youtube channels usually have a thing on the end that says "Like, Comment and Subscribe"? It does have an effect.

    Step 3 - Be persistent
    pretty much goes without saying, but if you don't give up, EVENTUALLY someone is going to crack.

    Step 4 (optional) - single out a weak member of the herd and go in for the kill
    If step 2 doesn't work, then find someone you can engage in one-on-one conversation and politely ask them if they have time to read your story, then ask for feedback on it. This guerilla tactic is not UN-sanctioned and will almost always work by forcing people to acknowledge you directly, stripping them from the social safety of the bystander effect. Be warned as this may backfire if used improperly.

    the general idea though is not to rely on having your audience find you - you need to find them. Thus, you're imposing yourself by putting people in a situation where they have no choice but to read it.

    I have a weird way of saying it, but I think it's generally true unless you're wicked talented or do work that appeals to people's specific interests such as fanart / fetishes / etc.
    I tried to single out a single awesome thing about your response but I couldn't since all of it made me crack the fuck up and also I think I might love you.

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    Good one Noxid! you got em all laughing now! Writing is fun! So now, have you posted it yet? And is Noxid going to read it?
    Where is it? I want to read it... Now or else! See, you peaked our curiosity... that's how you do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnarl View Post
    Good one Noxid! you got em all laughing now! Writing is fun! So now, have you posted it yet? And is Noxid going to read it?
    Where is it? I want to read it... Now or else! See, you peaked our curiosity... that's how you do it!
    Meanwhile, I've taken Noxid's advice and gone to the IRC channel. Because I am broderline brain-dead, I've asked a couple of strangers if they could proof-read me something that's 10000 words long. Someone said they'd do it for 40 bucks. If I had 40 bucks, I'd probably spend them drinking myself half to death while wondering exactly why I chose writing as a profession instead of something more lucrative like say arms trafficking or Christian rap. Anyhow, I've completely blown my reputation in the IRC channel and now I'm back at square one. But hey, if you're willing to read something that's 10k words long and tell me exactly where I potentially fucked up, feel free to. I'll probably love you forever for it.

    Also, the part about me drinking myself to death due to my choice of profession is so tongue-in-cheek said tongue went right through said cheek.

    Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    P.S. You're all bloody amazing.

    NINJA EDIT BECAUSE BRAIN DEATH: If you're wondering why certain parts of it are bulleted, it's because OpenOffice frequently leads theological debates with itself on the topic of formatting which are almost wholly out of my hands (paws).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaelon125 View Post
    Meanwhile, I've taken Noxid's advice and gone to the IRC channel. Because I am broderline brain-dead, I've asked a couple of strangers if they could proof-read me something that's 10000 words long. Someone said they'd do it for 40 bucks. If I had 40 bucks, I'd probably spend them drinking myself half to death while wondering exactly why I chose writing as a profession instead of something more lucrative like say arms trafficking or Christian rap. Anyhow, I've completely blown my reputation in the IRC channel and now I'm back at square one. But hey, if you're willing to read something that's 10k words long and tell me exactly where I potentially fucked up, feel free to. I'll probably love you forever for it.

    Also, the part about me drinking myself to death due to my choice of profession is so tongue-in-cheek said tongue went right through said cheek.

    Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    P.S. You're all bloody amazing.

    NINJA EDIT BECAUSE BRAIN DEATH: If you're wondering why certain parts of it are bulleted, it's because OpenOffice frequently leads theological debates with itself on the topic of formatting which are almost wholly out of my hands (paws).
    Ok, not bad! slow but draws you in. I hope the story continues? There are a few errors, probably less than I make. Looks like you were typing and forgot the d on "and" and a couple of places where things were a little stiff but not bad at all. It makes a great beginning to a book and the start of friendship. You put a lot into the characters but something seems like you were trying to hard to do the descriptions.
    You painted the picture better than I would have. Heck in ten thousand words for me they would have already had conflict and completed the first semester! No 10K is not that big, well not for me anyway. Yes I read the whole thing! I guess I am not the one to really respond to the story. I never have understood relationships that well. Seems like you have a pretty good handle on it, so keep going. Let me know when the next part is ready and I will read it as well. Also just a recommendation, you probably want to read it aloud to someone. Great way to edit and find missing letters and hard to follow sentences. Thanks for letting me read it!

 

 

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