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    Quote Originally Posted by mythil View Post
    This might be because I'm old and all you new kids (that's a joke, not condescending) have lots of new terms for stuff. But that's just male/female.. Why cis?

    Male homosexual
    Female Lesbian
    Male Bisexual
    Female Bisexual

    I tend not to use trans as a gender..... anything. Why? Because when I was more in the LGB scene years ago, you didn't call someone trans, you called them what gender they identify as. So if someone identified as female then that is what you called them. So then, what's the cis for? It's just adding another layer of complication to something already defined and accepted.

    This comes down to us older folk wondering what's going on now. We understood what genders people wanted to be and what sexualities people were.. Now there are layers upon layers of stuff that a lot of us don't see as necessary. Also, it seems like it was created to actually create squabbling and hate where there isn't any especially within communities that have been LGBT friendly by creating unneeded labels and then creating predigest where none was before.
    It's not really used to refer to people...or at least it shouldn't. it isn't largely necessary on the personal level. You refer to a person and their preferred gender. It's used as a way to explain a difference in experience. A cis female has different life experiences from a trans female. Neither is better or worse, just different. The cis is just in place to show the difference from trans.
    It's useful specifically for discussions dealing with trans issues and gender identities which is why it exists. Not exactly helpful if you just want to refer to someone in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fay V View Post
    It's not really used to refer to people...or at least it shouldn't. it isn't largely necessary on the personal level. You refer to a person and their preferred gender. It's used as a way to explain a difference in experience. A cis female has different life experiences from a trans female. Neither is better or worse, just different. The cis is just in place to show the difference from trans.
    It's useful specifically for discussions dealing with trans issues and gender identities which is why it exists. Not exactly helpful if you just want to refer to someone in public.
    Again I don't see it. I have many friends that run the spectrum of genders and sexualities and not once has anyone wanted to use cis or any of these things.

    I still put it down to tumblr kids wanting to feel special.

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    Though as an addition I think an offhand comment drastically changed the theme of this thread

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    I have to agree that it's gotten a bit ridiculous. It's as if people want us to watch everything we say to avoid the risk of offending or upsetting someone.

    While I like to think of myself as a good person, and don't want to upset or offend people on purpose, I shouldn't have to limit my expression just because someone who is easily upset might read it and get upset. I'm not going to walk into a room full of war veterans and yell "Boom!", but at the same time I won't avoid talking about guns in a public forum just because someone might be upset by them. And "Trigger warning: firearms" is just silly. Why not just let the subject line of the post or message speak for itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post
    I have to agree that it's gotten a bit ridiculous. It's as if people want us to watch everything we say to avoid the risk of offending or upsetting someone.

    While I like to think of myself as a good person, and don't want to upset or offend people on purpose, I shouldn't have to limit my expression just because someone who is easily upset might read it and get upset. I'm not going to walk into a room full of war veterans and yell "Boom!", but at the same time I won't avoid talking about guns in a public forum just because someone might be upset by them. And "Trigger warning: firearms" is just silly. Why not just let the subject line of the post or message speak for itself?
    Because today we live in a world where everyone is a special snowflake and we can't hurt their poor feelings..

    It wasn't that long ago (when I grew up in the 80's) that you just had to man up.. And I'm not talking about the really offensive things like racism, homophobia and so forth.. If you didn't like something you had to suck it up or leave.

    These days, you are only allowed to be as bland as possible because you might hurt someone's precious feelings. Now, I don't mean you're allowed to be offensive.. Rape jokes, racism, sexism, cruelty in any form is in poor taste and shouldn't be done. There are also exceptions for people who have legitimate mental disabilities or recovering addicts, victims of abuse. But tagging a ton of crap in a post because someone might get butthurt about it? No thanks..

    Funny thing though. The people who bitch the most about "triggering" are the people who do the most bitching against someone else's personal character or even abilities in a certain field. Seriously, go on some of the "exposure" tumblrs and eventually you'll have people calling artists out on their ability and saying "people pay for this sub-par crap?" while on the other hand bitch about "triggering" because you didn't refer to them in the correct gender/sexual preference tense.

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    I try to be considerate on tumblr when it comes to uncomfortable situations and topics. Like, one of my followers on tumblr hates the Silent Hill series because the plots of those games sometimes involve rape. She, being a rape survivor, says it brings her back to that situation emotionally. So, to be curious to her, I tag any of those posts "silent hill" so the post doesn't end up on her dash due to her blocking the tag. Situations like this, at least for me, are the correct ways of using triggers as a term and a valid complaint over stuff like this. At the same time though, I've seen people tag posts with "tw: trypophobia" because they reblogged a picture of a leopard (in their words, "the spots look like holes"). Yeah, no, that's taking away the definition of the term "triggering" and making it more difficult for people that actually have triggers. At least that's my opinion.

    But either way, all somebody needs to do is just ask me to tag stuff. IMO, it takes two seconds, not really that much of an inconvenience on my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mythil View Post
    This might be because I'm old and all you new kids (that's a joke, not condescending) have lots of new terms for stuff. But that's just male/female.. Why cis?
    The use of "cisgendered" aka "cis" came about when people realized that gender is fluid. Thus, you have a ton of different identifiers:

    Cis = you identify with the sex/gender you were born as.
    Trans = you identify as the opposite sex/gender to what you were born as.
    Agender = you identify as non-gendered/don't give a shit. [Generally using they/their/them pronouns.]
    Genderfluid = you can feel like a boy on monday, a girl on tuesday, and agender on wednesday, to put it basically.

    Those are the most commonly used, anyway, I'm sure there are thousands more. Gender and sexuality are such diverse spectrums that cisgendered pretty much had to become a term.

    Now, on the actual topic... yeah, Tumblr goes overboard with many things, triggering being among them. Although I will point out that many people use them for non-traumatic things for good reason - for example, if you're sick or dieting, tagging #food can be useful. And, of course, tagging actual triggers [death, gore, murder, sexual assault, phobias, etc.] is a very, very good thing. Generally when it comes to triggering, I go by the rule of "if someone asks you to tag/note something, do it." It takes ~3 seconds out of your day, and can save someone from flashbacks or panic attacks.

    Granted, I haven't been on Tumblr in months, so it might have gotten out of hand. \_(ツ)_/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASB View Post
    The use of "cisgendered" aka "cis" came about when people realized that gender is fluid. Thus, you have a ton of different identifiers:

    Cis = you identify with the sex/gender you were born as.
    Trans = you identify as the opposite sex/gender to what you were born as.
    Agender = you identify as non-gendered/don't give a shit. [Generally using they/their/them pronouns.]
    Genderfluid = you can feel like a boy on monday, a girl on tuesday, and agender on wednesday, to put it basically.

    Those are the most commonly used, anyway, I'm sure there are thousands more. Gender and sexuality are such diverse spectrums that cisgendered pretty much had to become a term.

    Now, on the actual topic... yeah, Tumblr goes overboard with many things, triggering being among them. Although I will point out that many people use them for non-traumatic things for good reason - for example, if you're sick or dieting, tagging #food can be useful. And, of course, tagging actual triggers [death, gore, murder, sexual assault, phobias, etc.] is a very, very good thing. Generally when it comes to triggering, I go by the rule of "if someone asks you to tag/note something, do it." It takes ~3 seconds out of your day, and can save someone from flashbacks or panic attacks.

    Granted, I haven't been on Tumblr in months, so it might have gotten out of hand. \_(ツ)_/
    Still don't get this whole gender thing..

    #food #writing #black #text #opinion #outside #vegan #people #socialising #tumblr #madness #tumblrmadness #hashtag #door #kicking #god #jesus #religion #beating #useless #...

    Seriously #food ...? SERIOUSLY? Well don't go outside because god forbid you find #people or breath in #air

    I'll say one thing. Try being a vegan, you will get people trying to beat your door down to give you lots of useless and wrong information...

    #food? ... Jesus

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    What don't you understand? c: I can try to explain it more, if you'd like! It can definitely be confusing at first, aha.

    Well uh, #beating is a legit tag, considering many people have been physically abused, domestically or otherwise. It could be triggering to see a photo of someone bruised and bloodied, for example. Generally, people tag #religion for those who just don't want to deal with religious arguments and such, although I suppose some people could have had bad experiences with heavily religious people, and thus not want to be reminded of those people.

    I already explained the #food thing; it saved me from puking back when I actually went on Tumblr. It's nice when you have a stomach virus but still want to browse. I'd say that's more of a tag of convenience than a trigger tag; after all, not every tag is a trigger.

    But really... if people over-tagging bothers you, just... don't go on Tumblr? I haven't been on in about six months, so. It's not like you need to be on there if it bothers you so badly. ┐(゚~゚)┌
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASB View Post
    What don't you understand? c: I can try to explain it more, if you'd like! It can definitely be confusing at first, aha.

    Well uh, #beating is a legit tag, considering many people have been physically abused, domestically or otherwise. It could be triggering to see a photo of someone bruised and bloodied, for example. Generally, people tag #religion for those who just don't want to deal with religious arguments and such, although I suppose some people could have had bad experiences with heavily religious people, and thus not want to be reminded of those people.

    I already explained the #food thing; it saved me from puking back when I actually went on Tumblr. It's nice when you have a stomach virus but still want to browse. I'd say that's more of a tag of convenience than a trigger tag; after all, not every tag is a trigger.

    But really... if people over-tagging bothers you, just... don't go on Tumblr? I haven't been on in about six months, so. It's not like you need to be on there if it bothers you so badly. ┐(゚~゚)┌
    That was the joke.. I said "beating down the door" but it's beating.. So it may be triggering! *SHOCK HORROR!*..

    Seriously.. I think a lot of these "triggering" tags need to be replaced with #suckitup or #dealwithit.

    As a disabled person who's tried to be as physical as possible I can say.. The world does not change for you, it does not adapt and it does not filter itself. YOU have to adapt to it, this includes the internet, or should we live in a bubble where we don't allow in anything that can damage our precious psyche? Also before people comment, please read above where I said that there is a big difference between being abusive to a person and being a whiner.

    There used to be and still is filtering for people who don't want to see things that are legit' disturbing or off putting for them. But for everyone else.. Don't go looking for it.. *rolls eyes*

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    For example... Seriously NSFW

    http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Hym...40_5115522.png

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    Ah hell I think I need to create an "annoyed old man" blog or something *chuckles*

    But ... I don't know, this is a bit different from the topic but ties into my link in that.. When I was growing up, we were told to strive to be great. These days people are told that they are born perfect snow flakes that everyone MUST accept.

    Nooo don't better yourself, that's too hard. Force everyone else to accept you regardless of how annoying you can be

 

 

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