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    Quote Originally Posted by LNight View Post
    I have a small question: Would't it when it comes to the ratings be easier to make it 3 instead of 4? I mean Explicit and Mature are basically the same thing, and both of them requires you to be at least 18 years old before you can watch the content from them, to which nothing else is needed as you can legally watch everything.
    The reason why we have four ratings was because, in the beginning of this site several users voiced their displeasure with having work they considered artistic nudity free of sexual context being lumped in with pornography, claiming it to be unfair that we treated porn and say figure drawing as the same thing. Which honestly they're dead-on, it is unfair for someone to have their artistic nudes unviewable unless a user also enables pornography.

    As such the Mature category is for those users, of age, who wish to post, view, and critique work containing detailed nudity but don't necessarily wish to consume pornography.

    So why should a artist be afraid to make a anatomically correct picture of a Dog, jumping for a frisbee for instance, simply because they choose to do it from the side where the Sheath might be visible, just like if the artist had taken a picture of a Dog like that instead, where the Sheath would be visible to? That just seems unfair to the artist they have to shy away from something natural, simply because it's art and they can choose not to make it be there, if they wanna make something not only natural and common in the real world and life for any kind of age, but anatomically correct.
    They shouldn't be afraid. We're not banning people from posting the work. We simply ask that it be rated correctly according to our guidelines.

    In regards to your secondary issue, yes we've already mentioned that there's a significant difference between incidental photography of an animal, as per your example of a dog jumping for a frisbee, and someone taking the time to meticulously draw an animal's genitalia.

    Further our rules quickly become over complicated if we start making exceptions here and there for different species of animals or whether or not an animal is an anthro or feral. While it's not a perfect system, it's the one that the staff currently feel is the most effective to keep ourselves from creating needless loopholes, workarounds, and so forth, all for the sake of putting animal genitalia at a lower level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armaina View Post
    You're riding a very disturbing line, here. I'm no mod obvs, but I have to voice, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that you consider those the same at all. If you're genuinely upset about the idea that you can't show genitalia on animals and have it be regarded as 'general', then this maybe isn't the place for you.
    I don't understand why what I said was disturbing. I'm upset because as an artist who draws safe-for-work feral art and blocks 18+ feral art, I will still be forced to mark most of my gallery as 18+.
    We're debating on whether or not breasts are sexual, just like we're debating on whether or not the examples I've shown were. I don't see breasts as sexual and I don't see my examples as sexual, however my examples are considered 18+ while breasts aren't. That is what I'm debating, sorry if that disturbs you.

    Perhaps if your gallery were to be marked as adult against your wishes for completely strange reasons, you'd understand why I (and other users) are upset.
    Right now, my gallery either has to be re-drawn or marked as porn. I'm not happy about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LNight View Post
    I have a small question: Would't it when it comes to the ratings be easier to make it 3 instead of 4? I mean Explicit and Mature are basically the same thing, and both of them requires you to be at least 18 years old before you can watch the content from them, to which nothing else is needed as you can legally watch everything.
    The 18+ rating was once one ratings category but it was split since people were unhappy with artistic nudity being grouped into the same category as porn. It's not being merged again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    Right now, my gallery either has to be re-drawn or marked as porn. I'm not happy about it.
    I think you might be mistaken. The Mature category is -not- a porn category.

    When does it cross the line from "bumps" into "detailed/defined"?
    It might be best I try to demonstrate this with a picture. Note that I'm not good at feral art at all but I tried to depict what staff looks for when we rate stuff regarding feral art with sheaths:

    NSFW Warning: Includes animal genital drawing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    I don't understand why what I said was disturbing.
    Based on your earlier statement, you're regarding the outline of the breast the same as a very specific outline of a sheath and testicles. They're not the same at all and it bothers me that you considered them the same.

    What is CAN be compared to, however, is drawing very obvious 'cameltoe' or the perfect outline of someone's genitals through clothing, both of which should not be marked as general, regardless of intent. That's why you can't mark images of animals that have a very obvious sheath and testicles, as 'general', regardless of intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiz View Post
    I think you might be mistaken. The Mature category is -not- a porn category.
    I personally consider it to be because artistic nudity (a RL example would be Playboy) is in the same category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiz View Post
    It might be best I try to demonstrate this with a picture. Note that I'm not good at feral art at all but I tried to depict what staff looks for when we rate stuff regarding feral art with sheaths:

    NSFW Warning: Includes animal genital drawing.
    I appreciate the example but this just makes it needlessly complicated in my opinion, because now we have to ask:
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...ac6e89e95e.png
    Does this count as drawing an "anus"?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...0dea007dbb.jpg
    How much has to show?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...b4036e8839.png
    Will a dot knock it into 18+?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...94e796459e.jpg
    Or fluff? (Can't really tell if that's even what it is)

    Quote Originally Posted by armaina View Post
    What is CAN be compared to, however, is drawing very obvious 'cameltoe' or the perfect outline of someone's genitals through clothing, both of which should not be marked as general, regardless of intent. That's why you can't mark images of animals that have a very obvious sheath and testicles, as 'general', regardless of intent.
    This would imply that the focus is on the bulge/genital outline under clothes which is 18+ material, just as I suggested the focus on genitals being 18+ material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    I appreciate the example but this just makes it needlessly complicated in my opinion, because now we have to ask:
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...ac6e89e95e.png
    Does this count as drawing an "anus"?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...0dea007dbb.jpg
    How much has to show?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...b4036e8839.png
    Will a dot knock it into 18+?
    - https://www.weasyl.com/static/media/...94e796459e.jpg
    Or fluff? (Can't really tell if that's even what it is)

    1. Not really. General
    2. Slight bumps. General
    3. Likely since it's showing implications of a slit for the penis to come out/urethral hole. Mature
    4. It just seems like fluff to me? General

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    I could also do with a little guidance on when a bump becomes problematic, but regarding anthros rather than ferals. I have a few pinups or similar in my gallery and some of them have a slight bulge. Some of them were intended to be subtle and very mildly suggestive, one of them I don't think was actually intended that way but just came out like that.

    Helpfully I can't yet post links to the (potentially) offending items, but I'd be a bit surprised if I was the only one with this question.
    With luck, making this post will enable URL posting for a subsequent message.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Okay, let's see if this works:
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/216581/daryil-present-for-merlin


    This one was from a seduction scene in a comic I was doing, I set it to 'Moderate':
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/485016/azrael-x-jakob-or-not-as-the-case-may-be

    Here's another pin-up type:
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/43467/you-sexy-thing-jakob

    I could boost the rating a bit or heck, go back and erase the offending highlights as a 'Weasyl Special', but keeping track of per-site versions is a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapewolf View Post
    I could also do with a little guidance on when a bump becomes problematic, but regarding anthros rather than ferals. I have a few pinups or similar in my gallery and some of them have a slight bulge. Some of them were intended to be subtle and very mildly suggestive, one of them I don't think was actually intended that way but just came out like that.

    Helpfully I can't yet post links to the (potentially) offending items, but I'd be a bit surprised if I was the only one with this question.
    With luck, making this post will enable URL posting for a subsequent message.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Okay, let's see if this works:
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/21...ent-for-merlin


    This one was from a seduction scene in a comic I was doing, I set it to 'Moderate':
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/48...he-case-may-be

    Here's another pin-up type:
    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/43...xy-thing-jakob

    I could boost the rating a bit or heck, go back and erase the offending highlights as a 'Weasyl Special', but keeping track of per-site versions is a pain.
    The ratings for your second and third link seem fine. First one could use a bump to Moderate 13+ since there is some sexually suggestive themes in it. Hope that helps! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiz View Post
    The ratings for your second and third link seem fine. First one could use a bump to Moderate 13+ since there is some sexually suggestive themes in it. Hope that helps!
    Thanks, that was very helpful.

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    Reminder this thread isn't about discussion of personal opinions regarding gender and sex. Please don't derail the thread. Thanks.

 

 

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