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    Insanity often denotes a form of logic and reasoning that is markedly different from what is defined by society and the courts as sound, intersubjective logic that would work with what is defined as society at large.

    This guy could have been planning, for two decades, to have done something like this. But, is it normal? I certainly know that I'm capable of doing terrible things, as are many people, but the only thing that differentiates society at large from fringe elements are that the two operate off of separate forms of logic and reasoning and value systems. Like how feminists/misandrists, or masculists/misogynists operate on logical systems that are radically different from what society operates off of, they are still right in their own right, and from their own point of view, and when you get fringe elements who do not recognize that multiple systems of logic can coexist, and they apply their value system as objective truth for any delusional reason, then they turn themselves into victims or martyrs when others make actions that are at odds with their own strange beliefs.

    That is when you get the tumblr feminists who equate disagreement and any form of dialectical discussion to rape, with words representing some abstract phallus pushing its way into their life, or they view it as an advanced form of abuse.

    You get trustfund socialists telling other people to check their privelege.

    You get white knight or love-quest masculists who have split society into black and white forces continuously at odds with one another, with themselves representing all of the characteristics of a heroic figure who has been cast aside by society, not due to uselessness and impotency, but because of wimmin with red flags, crusading against men to turn them into slaves, while they think that it should be men who are the masters, and that "no" is a conditioned response that is at odds with the natural order of things in terms of human mating processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post

    Insane people plan things and have control of their actions, Armchair Psychiatrist. The consciousness behind that is what defines someone as being insane. An insane person can believe you are a reptilian infiltrator, can plan to catch you and can cut off your head, forcing you to reveal your true form and giving him your powers (in his insane mind).

    He will have control of both his actions and his planning, but he will not be operating within the realm of sanity and reality when he does so. Insanity does not denote a lack of control or planning, it denotes a lack of sanity (e.g. grasp on reality and/or knowledge of right and wrong).
    No reason to be an ass, first off.

    Secondly, the psychological and legal definition of insanity would mean that this individual would not have any form of logical thought processes, even in his own realm. He'd be driven by random impulses. That's why the insanity defense is used so little - it would have to be proven that the individual had zero control over their actions, usually through months of psychological evaluation. It's obvious what happened wasn't done on impulse and had been planned. It's not as if everyone who commits a violent crime is insane. The media loves to call every murder an act of insanity even though statistically mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victim of violence than actually be violent.

    Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.

    There is no evidence that this guy was insane.
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    I'm not entirely sure what it is you're trying to argue other than semantics.
    Get a loada this guy here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeenageAngst View Post
    I'm not entirely sure what it is you're trying to argue other than semantics.
    People here were thinking the guy was insane. I was just letting them know that he wasn't. Lol.

    There isn't much else to argue about him, is there? Like, what can you honestly say about him that isn't already obvious? That this act was sexist? No kidding it was sexist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infestissumam View Post
    People here were thinking the guy was insane. I was just letting them know that he wasn't. Lol.

    There isn't much else to argue about him, is there? Like, what can you honestly say about him that isn't already obvious? That this act was sexist? No kidding it was sexist.
    The guy had mental problems that obviously weren't being addressed and those untreated issues lead to his crazy act. This wasn't just misogyny, this was misogyny being used as a vehicle by a whackjob to feed their own inferiority complex. Just like religion acts as a vehicle for suicide bombers.
    Get a loada this guy here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMysteriousL View Post
    Dude, America is never gonna get with the program when it comes to mental health.

    I think it's just lived with.
    Or is rewarded.

    See: Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infestissumam View Post
    No reason to be an ass, first off.
    I get mildly upset when someone who doesn't know "insane" from a hole in the ground sticks their tiny flaccid opinion into a thread and waggles it around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infestissumam View Post
    Secondly, the psychological and legal definition of insanity would mean that this individual would not have any form of logical thought processes, even in his own realm. He'd be driven by random impulses. That's why the insanity defense is used so little - it would have to be proven that the individual had zero control over their actions, usually through months of psychological evaluation. It's obvious what happened wasn't done on impulse and had been planned. It's not as if everyone who commits a violent crime is insane. The media loves to call every murder an act of insanity even though statistically mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victim of violence than actually be violent.

    Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.

    There is no evidence that this guy was insane.
    First, you have a poor grasp of either the psychological OR the legal definitions of a term as broad and blanket-y as "insanity". Second, the dictionary definition is grossly insufficient for any purpose except writing a 5th-grade level essay. Third, the fact that a person is insane is not actually what the court cares about for legal purposes, it is a question of whether the defendant is insane in such a way that makes him unable to discern right from wrong or to discern reality from psychotic fantasy. A person can demonstrate behavior that pretty much anyone would consider insane, but if he still demonstrates an ability to determine right from wrong as far as the court is concerned he cannot use the insanity defense, because it's not just about mental infirmity - it's about very specific types of mental infirmity.

    As for there being no evidence that this guy was insane - the fact that they were throwing some pretty fucking potent medications at him is a pretty good sign that he was quite fucked in the head. Reading his manifesto and watching the videos he made offer a very detailed look into the mind of someone who had a Cluster B personality disorder (STRONGLY Narcissistic Personality Disorder), combined with his Asperger's and what seems to me to be paranoid schizophrenia, all combined with a spoiled upbringing and access to firearms through his family's affluence. He was absolutely non compos mentis, he had been refusing to take medication he LIKELY needed and had been refusing therapy he LIKELY needed. I'm not saying that if he hadn't offed himself that he should get off on an insanity defense, because Cluster B personality disorders are highly treatment resistant (though if he was forced to take the medication, he likely would not be as prone to violent ideation - he would still likely never be fit to live life outside of a psychiatric hospital) - I'm saying that people need to recognize that he WAS mentally ill and that is why he chose to do what he did. Fuck knows there are likely THOUSANDS of 22 year old forever-alone virgins who will NEVER get laid, and very few if ANY of them will ever decide that the answer to their problem is a fucking killing spree, because while they may be unlucky in love they aren't goddamn insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeenageAngst View Post
    The guy had mental problems that obviously weren't being addressed and those untreated issues lead to his crazy act. This wasn't just misogyny, this was misogyny being used as a vehicle by a whackjob to feed their own inferiority complex. Just like religion acts as a vehicle for suicide bombers.
    With the same delusional love quest in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post
    EDIT: As a side note, I'm personally familiar with Risperdal, and that shit is an antipsychotic. It's also pretty goddamn potent. If they prescribed that to him, he probably had a BIG screw loose.
    This this this this. So this. Seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infestissumam View Post
    Also, this guy wasn't insane. Insanity would imply that he wouldn't have any control of his actions, but he clearly displays planning before he goes through with it.
    He was insane, he was genuinely insane. Charles Manson was insane but could control his actions, he literally had an entire cult of followers.
    People who are insane are also called psychopaths. Psychopathy is the old term for being a sociopath. Elliot Rodgers was a sociopath, he was insane.
    The thing about sociopaths is that they are so insane and have such control over their actions, how they are perceived by others, etc, that they can literally trick lie detector tests. Elliot boasts about being a good liar in his manifesto.
    People who are insane/sociopaths do not take any concern in the feelings or wellbeing of other people. Elliot shows this by being angry that (in his own words) his mom "wouldn't put my interests before hers" and marry a rich man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrijos_sama View Post
    This guy could have been planning, for two decades, to have done something like this.
    He had been planning on harming people for a long time. For years he tried to get rich while young to both attract women and essentially "take over the world". He even went so far as to drive to Arizona to buy lottery tickets because the jackpots were the highest there.

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    If I meet someone in public who proudly boasts the same rhetoric as a man who shot up a college campus, obviously I'm going to be wary of them. It dosen't matter if his interests and beliefs ligned up 10/10, he linked himself to them by repeating their dogma. It wasn't an accident. It wasn't a coincidence. He sympathized with what he read and took it upon himself to be the "chosen one" and take it a few steps farther.

    Obviously this man was mentally ill, no one is trying to argue that point either. The problem is when the media paints the mental illness as the primary motivation when he obviously got all the motivation he needed online, reading someone's toxic, dehumanizing portrait of an entire subset of people.

    No, the ones to published those opinions are not responsible for these deaths. But you know what? They contributed to them by fanning the fire. And I wish they'd take some fucking responsibility, submit to some self analysis, instead of doing everything in their power to dodge blame.

    It's so much easier to go out with the intention of killing someone when you don't see them as human. Probably as easy as it is to poision and set a wasp's nest on fire.
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