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    I've said this in the past, I'll say it here, the furry/anti-furry discussions are outright unhelpful and end up with nothing but poor leaps in judgment and feelings of judgment.

    Please get off the subject. If you feel you are being harassed bring it to staff immediately so that we may deal with it.


    On the topic at hand, the rest of this is just my opinion as a person, not opinion to speak for other staff.
    there is some merit to the removal of feitshes from an art site to give it a more professional feel, more like DA. This isn't to say they are inherently bad or pros don't draw porn (they do, often) it's just not the way to really sell art, particularly those that want to make it a career.
    I would prefer personally that this is more of a social fandom site. Not just the fur fandom, but fandoms over all, which is a much more amateur (in the pure definition sense that it isn't primarily for money, not to say the talent isn't equally good). I noticed that the purely professional and the fandom type artists don't get along due to different motivations and attitudes (in general, not universally).

    I don't know about banning fetish stuff. It's true the more one sees extreme works they don't necessarily want to, the less they will stick around. I don't think furries are the only ones to make extreme fetish art (I know they aren't, that's why I quit being into anime) but the fur fandom does have a lot of fetish material. I think the better option, if we want a social art site, is to focus less on outright banning content and playing with lines between fetish and not, or art and porn, or whatever, and focus far more on an easy and individual experience for the user.
    So making it easier to block certain content, or whitelist certain things. So User A, and User B see different content, the content they want, but no one is forced not to host content which does not pose some legal problem for the site.

    I hope all that made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fay V View Post
    I've said this in the past, I'll say it here, the furry/anti-furry discussions are outright unhelpful and end up with nothing but poor leaps in judgment and feelings of judgment.

    Please get off the subject. If you feel you are being harassed bring it to staff immediately so that we may deal with it.


    On the topic at hand, the rest of this is just my opinion as a person, not opinion to speak for other staff.
    there is some merit to the removal of feitshes from an art site to give it a more professional feel, more like DA. This isn't to say they are inherently bad or pros don't draw porn (they do, often) it's just not the way to really sell art, particularly those that want to make it a career.
    I would prefer personally that this is more of a social fandom site. Not just the fur fandom, but fandoms over all, which is a much more amateur (in the pure definition sense that it isn't primarily for money, not to say the talent isn't equally good). I noticed that the purely professional and the fandom type artists don't get along due to different motivations and attitudes (in general, not universally).

    I don't know about banning fetish stuff. It's true the more one sees extreme works they don't necessarily want to, the less they will stick around. I don't think furries are the only ones to make extreme fetish art (I know they aren't, that's why I quit being into anime) but the fur fandom does have a lot of fetish material. I think the better option, if we want a social art site, is to focus less on outright banning content and playing with lines between fetish and not, or art and porn, or whatever, and focus far more on an easy and individual experience for the user.
    So making it easier to block certain content, or whitelist certain things. So User A, and User B see different content, the content they want, but no one is forced not to host content which does not pose some legal problem for the site.

    I hope all that made sense.

    Sort of, but the question in the end is: Will this decision bring forth a broader audience?

    The main fear is that the mainpage looks too much like FA, submissions wise with both mature and explicit results. Heck. Even with just explicit content blocked, I still get bombarded when browsing the front page with very disturbing furry fetish pictures (Today's catch of the day being head dick and dick toes). You can report it and it will get fixed by the staff in a very quick manner, but for someone who hasn't already been exposed to the darkest parts of the furry fandom, it's going to immediately turn heads away.
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    Adding onto what FayV said,
    Kinks and Fetish culture exists amongst people in general, not just in sub-cultures or the furry fandom.
    I could use some of the stuff posted on DeviantArt as an example, but I'm not going to.

    Weasyl can have it's cake and eat it too.
    It can still be a general art site, regardless of what the majority of user's identify as.
    As for the topic of Art, I could see how erotica, or fetish works can be a problem.
    But it doesn't have to be if Weasyl continues to improve on it's filtering set-up.

    The only thing I can suggest-
    Create a welcoming atmosphere and community that is inclusive to diversity.
    Advertise abroad, keep tight to site policy & moderation and you're golden.

    The more options people have to customize their experience the better.

    P.S
    I don't think it helps to alienate/divide people and certain things btw, "non-fur"- etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fay V View Post

    I don't know about banning fetish stuff. It's true the more one sees extreme works they don't necessarily want to, the less they will stick around. I don't think furries are the only ones to make extreme fetish art (I know they aren't, that's why I quit being into anime) but the fur fandom does have a lot of fetish material. I think the better option, if we want a social art site, is to focus less on outright banning content and playing with lines between fetish and not, or art and porn, or whatever, and focus far more on an easy and individual experience for the user.
    So making it easier to block certain content, or whitelist certain things. So User A, and User B see different content, the content they want, but no one is forced not to host content which does not pose some legal problem for the site.

    I hope all that made sense.
    Yeah, but this doesn't address what a newcomer see's at all, just what a user see's.

    It doesn't matter how nice and useful the websites tools are if potential new users are put off before they even decide to sign up, or if they've signed up, are put off by the process of setting those tools up effectively. I think that's the main point of the smut tangent I think.


    Appearance matters, and if you want to make this a general community you need the websites appearance to match that want. Right now this website screams "furry" which like it or not is going to put off some people immediately even if there is no porn, throw in the porn and they aren't going to think "nice open minded community on a general website with really neat filter controls" they're going to think "ew gross furries/extreme sexual deviants, no thanks".
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    As far as what a new user sees before registration it's naturally general only. In which case all we can do is make sure these things don't slip through the cracks, which is rough but there's not much else we can do. Even banning material would still run that risk of things slipping through unless we go the elfwood route (pls no)

    Once someone is registered they have to manually up the filter from general, so they already have to do some work.

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    Why not just make the general filter the default one so new users don't see the more obscene art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fay V View Post
    Once someone is registered they have to manually up the filter from general, so they already have to do some work.
    What about when they do up the filter expecting to see some violent art filled with all the feels, but are instead slapped silly by every fetish in the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xarg View Post
    What about when they do up the filter expecting to see some violent art filled with all the feels, but are instead slapped silly by every fetish in the book?
    So that's the question. My response is make the filters very user friendly, since they have to manually update the filter anyway, making things simple makes it more likely for people to filter things the way they prefer right away.

    I would prefer this to "ban fetish content" for now. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in other possibilities too.

    Just my opinion between filters and banned content. I prefer filters.

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    I think that at this point, the idea of making Weasyl a general art site is a pipe dream. You can claim what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the majority of artists/users here are furries and that is never going to change.

    Cut your losses and move on.

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    Adding some sort of user incentive (not sure exactly what that would be, some sort of karma system perhaps) for tagging would help make the filter more robust and effective.
         
       
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