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    If Weasyl does add categories, why not have a section specifically for erotic & fetish works?
    This would add another layer of security, and help divide works in the mature and explicit range.

    Quote Originally Posted by piñardilla View Post
    Adding some sort of user incentive (not sure exactly what that would be, some sort of karma system perhaps) for tagging would help make the filter more robust and effective.
    That also sounds like a good idea, but there would have to be measures to ensure it's not abused.
    Last edited by MapleTerror; 04-16-2014 at 02:15 AM.

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    I honestly don't think this whole "general art site" is going to take. There is a reason a large number of furry artists don't like DA and it's not because they don't like the inbox.

    On most of the internet, and on art sites especially, doing this sort of artwork is really alienating. There are hundreds of sites for anime artists, concept artists, photographers, whatever, but the options available in terms of art communities offered to the furry fandom are very small, and most all of them are porn-centric. People have come here looking for something better than what is being offered to them and are hoping that weasyl will be it. I get the appeal of wanting to be all things to all people, but weasyl has a dedicated audience of furry artists and looking at a pretty big gap crying for something to fill it. That gap is not being left by DA and the hundreds of other DA clones that have tried and failed to do the same thing. I think weasyl would do better to embrace the audience it has before it starts looking for a different one. It's easy to look at this sort of thing and say "i'm a furry artist AND I like looking at human art, so this should also be geared towards that" while missing the point that people on the other side are NOT saying "I'm a human artist and I like looking at furry art, I wish my art site had more of that". There isn't a ban on human or other art here, we are all still free to share this stuff with each other.

    In conclusion, Weasyl is not better than DA, or even a better Nabyn, but it is better than FA. I don't see the harm in embracing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FancyOwls View Post
    I honestly don't think this whole "general art site" is going to take. There is a reason a large number of furry artists don't like DA and it's not because they don't like the inbox.

    On most of the internet, and on art sites especially, doing this sort of artwork is really alienating. There are hundreds of sites for anime artists, concept artists, photographers, whatever, but the options available in terms of art communities offered to the furry fandom are very small, and most all of them are porn-centric. People have come here looking for something better than what is being offered to them and are hoping that weasyl will be it. I get the appeal of wanting to be all things to all people, but weasyl has a dedicated audience of furry artists and looking at a pretty big gap crying for something to fill it. That gap is not being left by DA and the hundreds of other DA clones that have tried and failed to do the same thing. I think weasyl would do better to embrace the audience it has before it starts looking for a different one. It's easy to look at this sort of thing and say "i'm a furry artist AND I like looking at human art, so this should also be geared towards that" while missing the point that people on the other side are NOT saying "I'm a human artist and I like looking at furry art, I wish my art site had more of that". There isn't a ban on human or other art here, we are all still free to share this stuff with each other.

    In conclusion, Weasyl is not better than DA, or even a better Nabyn, but it is better than FA. I don't see the harm in embracing it.
    The harm, more or less, is the concept of strafing away from the general art medium that many backers bought into when Weasyl was first announced, granted I didn't hold my breathe on it falling through as a general art site (Most of the staff are ex FA members). Meaning that we're pushing towards Weasyl being a furry site, rather than a general art site, for the most part. You can't stop what's already happened, I'll agree, but what you're saying essentially can be said about FA. You can submit human art on FA, it's just you're not going to get a lot of it since the website is themed "furry". Weasyl sort of had a steady stream of both kinds of art when it was first introduced, but now it seems like it's becoming more and more furry every day.

    I like furry art. I'm not a big fan of mature art period if it's explicit, like as in a dog getting raped by a whale with dick toes (True story, to some degree). Personally, I have no real option for Weasyl on how to steer us away from this becoming just a better run FA, with fetish galore running a muck all over the front page, scaring off all the hoomyn artists (Even then, that doesn't mean that artists who are furry won't draw human art, just a section of artists who don't have furry preferences will be turned off by the majority). I'd rather see Weasyl set out and become what it originally started as; An art site that focuses on art and art appreciation. I've already commented on how beautiful the critique system is on here and the sketchbook forum sections are a delight to go through. But honestly, the main site is starting to become such an eye sore to browse with such a slew of fetish material being all over the place. I honestly feel like FA is the place for that, and this is, more or less, a place for tasteful art. It sounds snobby and really egotistical (and somewhat "better than you"), but well, that's just the scope of art that I figured I would've gotten out of weasyl: Something you can show mom and dad without them asking questions like 'how do their dicks do dat?!'.


    Like I said before, I have no real suggestion to fix the problem. A porn ban would result in "CENSORSHIP! JUMP SHIP". And I don't think it should have to come down to that, but honestly, with freedom comes people abusing that freedom. As a general art site, I feel like seeing bizarre fetishes from people taking bee stings up the ass to people getting swallowed alive by a giant penis with fins is not the right direction. But that's just me.


    I need to stop putting off my typography final now and finish it.
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    Part of the problem is that as users who want this to be a general art site. Well post more art that isn't furry. Issue resolved. I may have a lot of furry works uploaded but I also have folders and galleries of non furry artwork. If you're not leading by example, you need to.

    The other part I mentioned is the site bothers me less that it has a lot of furry art, but I feel like every piece of art is just an advertisement for commissions. A lot of other art is just worried about popularity of their fictional "fursona" to show how sexy it is. So when you have a majority of that culture going on it does have problems.

    The other problem I mentioned months ago https://www.weasyl.com/journal/44492...em-with-weasyl but what is the overall objective of the site?

    It's often viewed as an alternative to FA, or it's not FA, and we'll welcome FA users that are sick of FA. But what does it have to offer that makes Weasyl...more interesting? You have a few features that aren't fully fleshed out like streaming. The content looks monotonous through the poor choice of uniform thumbnails and the biggest issue is art shouldn't be symmetrical, if you're looking at a gallery you want it diverse.

    I know many people felt turned off because the thumbnail issue was complained about and when they noticed a response from the thread, which wasn't probably intended about "tired of your complaints but we can't do much about it this time" shoved into a megathread, it makes people feel exasperated.

    I want to be able to view more art on the site, but the layout is so stale, I end up not looking at it like I would like a place like say CG Hub (which unfortunately closed down). But if you saw that layout it was like DAMN ART.

    This site also says it has other kinds of art, but little is made to distinguish it. It all looks like illustration thumbnails and at times photos of fursuiters.

    On another note, I noticed that when you hit Submit (to submit to different categories) Why does it Say "Submit Artwork" as a subheading and while for the most part that makes sense, one of the categories is JOURNAL. Uhhh... HUH?!?! o_O

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    When I first joined, I had learned about this site through tumblr while browsing the art tag. I had never signed up to FA and had actually only heard about it after I join Weasyl, so I wasn't totally aware of what furries were. Personally, I've not run into a lot of stuff that's been vulgar or extremely distasteful here, so the mods have definitely been doing their job with keeping the site clean - unless I've just been lucky (I think I have 18+ material blocked, idk I never actually customized any of that). Although, a huge irk I've seen around here (not really on the main site, actually more so on the forums) is that people constantly compare Weasyl to FA. It's hard not to I suppose but Weasyl is its own site, not just "another furry site like FA" (even if a majority of the members came from over there) - which in turn makes people even more inclined to get that in their heads that this is more catered towards them.

    One of the people I mutually follow on instagram who does more realism works had checked out this site per my request, however she did say that she was turned away by the material that was posted (I'm going to assume she meant the furry art). I guess it's really just what you prefer. I don't particularly like full on furry art, but I don't detest it. Art is art, and if it's unique and interesting enough I'll gladly check it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MapleTerror View Post
    If Weasyl does add categories, why not have a section specifically for erotic & fetish works?
    This would add another layer of security, and help divide works in the mature and explicit range.
    I really like this idea.
    Last edited by Moogle; 04-17-2014 at 12:49 AM. Reason: i b dumb

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    Oh, yeah - you guys do seem to constantly compare Weasyl to FA.

    That's probably a bad thing to do. ;]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewge View Post
    Oh, yeah - you guys do seem to constantly compare Weasyl to FA.

    That's probably a bad thing to do. ;]
    To be quite honest, it's hard not to make the comparison at this point. Content wise, they're practically similar, except for the fact that the front page "uploads by users" speed is more active for obvious reasons. The art coming into weasyl is comparable (if not exactly) the same as FA at the moment. This is a fair comparison. I know we're trying to make Weasyl be just weasyl, but one can't ignore something like this, especially from a "general" art site.



    Which begs the question; Seeing how we missed the boat with "general art site", does this mean we should be focusing on refining the site for it's majority crowd? Probably a tad bit extreme, but that's how I get when I'm in extreme mode.

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    Toshabi is already posting most of what I would have said myself. So really the only thing I can chime in with here is...

    Do you, the staff, really think you're going to hold onto anything but furries when bestiality art pops up on the front page? Because pretend or no, that's the kind of thing that disgusts and drives people away.

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    I don't know what design sense it is to take about multiple clicks just to view more artwork, for an art site

    Front Page
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    Submissions,
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    Journals, where it's just Icons - WHY?????

    If I wanted to look at writing or audio/video...heck if I can tell one from another. If this wants to be general art, it doesn't even fill a basic look for other categories.

    It has a lot to do with the topic because if the people willing to post more artwork can't feel like they can find their work represented, less people are going to bother than just being turned off by furry content.

    Though I remember people very upset when Weasyl opened up as general art site when furries said it should only be for furries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilvor View Post
    Toshabi is already posting most of what I would have said myself. So really the only thing I can chime in with here is...

    Do you, the staff, really think you're going to hold onto anything but furries when bestiality art pops up on the front page? Because pretend or no, that's the kind of thing that disgusts and drives people away.
    Well I'm assuming that you've left your maximum content rating to "Explicit." If you as a user makes the conscious choice to view sexually explicit content on our site then that's your prerogative and you're pretty much getting what you've asked for based on what our rules currently allow for. If it's specifically furry porn you don't want to see, we have tag filters for that, and if stuff still falls through the cracks, well that's part of the reason why we have been attempting to enable the community to participate in community tags to not only help their own browsing, but also that of others. Not to mention our staff who look to makes sure the ratings people give are in compliance with our policies.

    I just have a hard time understanding this argument specifically on the grounds of "there's porn I don't like on here" when you've elected the ability to view sexually explicit content. It's like going into a bar and being perturbed at the fact that they serve some alcohol you don't like. No one's forcing you to drink it, you can certainly avoid ordering it, and if others around you order it and you just happen to smell it well it won't be long before they're gone out of your immediate area most likely. But you're in a bar and you chose to be there so it shouldn't be that surprising that they carry a certain drink.
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