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    Yeah. It makes them think about what it actually is. You do realize that the prostate (located in the ass of a man) can bring about immense pleasure when stimulated, right?

    They're not saying "hey, rape these guys." or even implying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    Yeah. It makes them think about what it actually is. You do realize that the prostate (located in the ass of a man) can bring about immense pleasure when stimulated, right?

    They're not saying "hey, rape these guys." or even implying it.
    Yes I do, but if someone is not comfortable with it, you should not try to persuade, interrogate, coerce, or pressure them into doing it with threats of breaking up with them.
    Like I said, I have a link where a feminist advocates doing all of the above

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    Andrea Dworkin was a radical from the second wave, and was also always a controversial, polarizing figure even back then. She certainly doesn't speak for the current feminist movement if for no other reason than that she's been dead for years.
         
       
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    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    Andrea Dworkin was a radical from the second wave, and was also always a controversial, polarizing figure even back then. She certainly doesn't speak for the current feminist movement if for no other reason than that she's been dead for years.
    Ahhh, "not a real feminist".
    Is this why feminists to this day follow her "take back the night" movement as well as her beliefs that pornography is violence against women?

    What do you consider second-wave feminism to be?
    What do you consider third-wave (current) feminism to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    Ahhh, "not a real feminist".
    Is this why feminists to this day follow her "take back the night" movement as well as her beliefs that pornography is violence against women?

    What do you consider second-wave feminism to be?
    What do you consider third-wave (current) feminism to be?
    I kind of covered it a few pages back:

    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    I'd actually argue that third-wave feminism is less anti-male than second-wave feminism, primarily on account of the shift from the second wave's sex-negative rhetoric to sex positivism, one of the defining characteristics of the third wave (the other major defining characteristic being greater inclusion of transwomen and women of color).
    I'm sure there's more details to it than that but I'm not a women's studies expert and that's the relevant part here. Sex positivism doesn't see pornography as inherently violent to women, though it still can be (Girls Gone Wild immediately comes to mind), and Take Back The Night events have evolved into demonstrations against sexual violence in general.
         
       
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    So why is it that my feminism view is automatically wrong yet someone else's is right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    I kind of covered it a few pages back:

    "I'd actually argue that third-wave feminism is less anti-male than second-wave feminism, primarily on account of the shift from the second wave's sex-negative rhetoric to sex positivism, one of the defining characteristics of the third wave (the other major defining characteristic being greater inclusion of transwomen and women of color)."

    I'm sure there's more details to it than that but I'm not a women's studies expert and that's the relevant part here. Sex positivism doesn't see pornography as inherently violent to women, though it still can be (Girls Gone Wild immediately comes to mind), and Take Back The Night events have evolved into demonstrations against sexual violence in general.
    I really, really disagree with you. I've seen nothing but hatred for males, except it's not flat-out called hatred for males, or "misandry" (as the feminists like to laugh at), it's called "patriarchy", which is the belief that men are essentially the root of everyone's problems and the only reason things like rape aren't stopped is because men simply haven't used their magical powers to stop rapists - men can stop rape!
    Instead of tackling the issue of rape on an individual basis, they just give us men the credit of stopping rape, like the only reason rape occurs today is because we turn a blind eye to it.

    Third-wave feminism demonizes pornography, saying it exploits women. They even flip out if there's a female wearing lingerie on a clothing website.

    This doesn't look like a group of individuals that love men.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

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    Patriarchy isn't about men being the root of evil. It's about them being in power. It's not man-hating any more than currency is about how money is the root of all evil. You know if you don't understand words, you shouldn't use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    Patriarchy isn't about men being the root of evil. It's about them being in power. It's not man-hating any more than currency is about how money is the root of all evil. You know if you don't understand words, you shouldn't use them.
    Third-wave feminism follows the belief of the "patriarchy". The patriarchy essentially means that the world is controlled by men, and thus, the things like rape culture/rape/pornography/abuse/etc are caused by the patriarchy.
    All of these bad things happen because men have control/power.
    Therefore: Men are the root of all evil - we love men!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    I really, really disagree with you.
    This is because your working knowledge of feminism boils down to "third wave = current, and current feminism = things I don't like, therefore"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedog View Post
    I've seen nothing but hatred for males, except it's not flat-out called hatred for males, or "misandry" (as the feminists like to laugh at), it's called "patriarchy", which is the belief that men are essentially the root of everyone's problems and the only reason things like rape aren't stopped is because men simply haven't used their magical powers to stop rapists - men can stop rape!
    Instead of tackling the issue of rape on an individual basis, they just give us men the credit of stopping rape, like the only reason rape occurs today is because we turn a blind eye to it.
    Men HAVE turned a blind eye to rape. Date rape was absolutely normalized in popular culture and it's only recently that there's been a raising of awareness that that shit is not OK. Like, just dig up any of John Hughes's old teen comedies for a rewatch and be astounded at how rape-y they are at times.
         
       
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