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    Feedback? Exposure? Favorites? Anything?

    So, I think I have an issue that nearly every writer on an art site can relate to. Regardless of how many sites I post to, groups I join, or anything else I do to try and get myself "out there", I never get a single ounce of feedback. Nothing at all. Nada. I can practically hear the crickets.

    This has been a pretty frequent problem, to say the least, and I'm really having a difficult time getting around it. A few months ago I put my most recent short story series on a handful of sites, and despite joining groups and whatnot, I was ultimately only left with a handful of views and no favorites or, more importantly, comments and critique. Lately, I've really needed to know what people think of my writing, but I'm really not sure how to make it happen...

    Which brings me to my question: How do I get exposure for writing on Weasyl? I know that getting people to sit down and read a 3000 word short story is a difficult task, to say the least, but there has to some way, right? There has to be hope!

    Maybe?

    Thank you in advance. I really appreciate any suggestions. :}

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    My best advice is to network through the forums, make a name for yourself in the community. The problem with getting people to read your work is that "free literature" has a bad rep because "if it was good enough to be worth my time, it would cost money", whereas people are pensive of buying work because spending money on something you have no idea about is too risky (you can see the issue here)

    Make a brand out of yourself. Post a lot on the forums and have a link to your work in your signature, people who like your posts will think "well Nelan is a cool guy, so his work must be cool too". You might not be "friends" with these people, but if they have a good impression of you and agree with you they might be a lot more willing to give your work attention

    Of course you could always write porn on the side. It's the easiest to market (I'd argue it's the only kind of writing people actually search for), and someone might say "well Nelan writes good porn, maybe their clean stuff is good too :3"

    It all comes back to branding. Whether you're writing porn or making forum posts, you're giving readers an impression of you, and that familiarity with you will lessen the risk of spending time/money on your work

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    Nelan, I totally get what you experience, even with my reviews, despite the fact they're published on pretty big sites. Zero feedback whatsoever. Well, saying zero would be lying, because I did receive a few nice comments every now and then, but rarely constructive criticism.

    And it's even worse when it comes to stories. The usual response I get is "yeah, gonna read it when I have some time..." and they usually never do. So yeah, the numbers of readers are usually around the tens, rarely he hundred, which is... Discouraging, so I know how you feel ^^' Still, I'm thinking of getting a good mic in order to record the text and make some sort of audiobook, which can gather a few people.

    Also, Tibby, I never though of putting links in my signature. This. Is. Pretty clever (and makes sense, hence the fact I never thought about it ^^'). So yeah, we need to hang on and be ourselves. People will be more inclined to read if we are friendly and totes honnest.

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    The answer is to clone myself. In all seriousness though, while I understand your desire for feedback to improve, it's going to be very hard to come by no matter where you go. Friends will promise they'll read, but even that is a 50/50 sort of deal. You just gotta keep writing and putting it out there, because you're going to get very little attention by just sitting on a handful of submissions. It's very, very rare for someone to go back and really search out writing, or even music... unfortunately the two mediums where I have any modicum of skill haha.

    Tybby has some good advice, too. Network around here. I critiqued your work a bit because you posted, otherwise I never knew you existed. Go comment on other people's writing and art! More often than not, they'll check you out. If you -really- want easy attention, write pornography. I have hundreds of views on my adult works (not on Weasyl), and only a few handfuls on tame stuff. The question is, what's your actual goal? In the longrun, if you're selling out your brand of creativity too much, it'll just make you hate writing.

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    Good points. On the French side, I have made my contacts and got a solid network (though it needs a bit more of a push, because we French are a bunch of narcissists that really are on the "Yeah, I'll watch yer thing later") and my goal is basically to rule the worl... to give people stuff they'll enjoy reading and me writing down.

    But in essence, the biggest problem is indeed Time. My work prevents me from pushing my stuff with the strength it need to properly grow so it's basically just amounts to a shove, hoping that someone catches it and sends it to the right people...

    (also, totally applied the signature trick ♪)
    This link might contain cookies. Spoilers : it does not, it's just a trap link towards something I write. Sorry...

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    Sad to say, I really think this is the situation of a lot of online writers, especially the ones that I know. But truth be told, I'm really not surprised. Reading somebody's story is an investment in time and effort in an era where every person on the internet has access to instant entertainment (read: distractions), the second their interest in somebody's writing begins to waver. I think that once people get bored and open a tab to Facebook or whatnot, they don't really come back.

    If only there was a way to make stories readable in 5 seconds or less like art...

    And yeah. Nothing is worse than the "I'll read it later, man," reply. I really hate it when I get that, eh?

    Nice signature, btw. I did that on one of my old accounts, and I can't believe I haven't thought of it sooner. Adding one to my account right now. XD

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    Wow. I honestly don't know how many times I wished I could talk to myself about my writing. Maybe we should band together and create cloning devices. Muahahahaha.

    And yeah, I know it's really hard to get read, sad to say, but I'll keep trying. It's really odd, tbh. A year or two ago I had a small novella that had a very dedicated band of followers. I'm honestly still not too sure how that occurred, but if anything, it's just made it harder. Going from readers to none is very tough...

    I plan on applying Tybby's tactics here and there, mainly through commenting on other people's work. I just hope they do the same to mine. XD

    And hmm. Porn, porn, porn... Must I really resort to creating you once more? Must I really sink that low? Only time will tell. XD
    Alan Gregory returned to his bedroom chair with a small cup of tea, all set to continue his nightly routine, or rather, his nightly wait...

    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/45...-down-part-one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelan View Post
    I plan on applying Tybby's tactics here and there, mainly through commenting on other people's work. I just hope they do the same to mine. XD

    And hmm. Porn, porn, porn... Must I really resort to creating you once more? Must I really sink that low? Only time will tell. XD
    If you're not comfy with writing it then don't. It was all I could think of at the moment (make of that what you will) in regards to personal branding, but there are plenty of other ways to get your name out there. The best tactic I find is to connect yourself with a publisher. If one of your short stories appears in a published anthology (or if one of your complete works is published) then people will say "well now I know at least one person has looked at it and deemed it fit to sell" and will be more likely to trust your work is worth their dollar

    Social networking is good too. Make a tumblr based on one of your interests and then post sometimes about your bookstuff. All I do on my tumblr is reblog soft grunge and glitch art and sometimes I make a news post about upcoming releases etc. A bunch of my followers are only following me for the art I reblog, but because my work is related to those interests (currently working on a soft-grunge novel, just posted a glitchy piece on lulu) I'm already in touch with an audience that might like my stuff, you dig?

    As a better less me example like if you write furry porn, you could make a blog that posts a lot of furry porn (just take the pictures you like on weasyl and be sure to source them! :3) and then every once in a while make a post like "just got my latest novel, a furry romance, published on sofawolf! (link)" and then because you have a bunch of people following you for porn, you're already in touch with your target audience

    What kind of work do you write?

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    As you stated, feedback for literature is always complicated since you gotta take the time to read and interpret whatever you wrote. What do you write?? What´s your style?? Fable, fairy tale, realism, crude realism, omnipresent narrator, autobiography represented into a fictional character so the writer can interprete it?? Saying what you do could help you get some feedback.

    Also you could get around with some writers. Nothing better that hanging out with people that know the drill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AineCleine View Post
    What do you write?? What´s your style??
    I write a variety story types ranging from first person science-fiction, action, and drama to third person action/drama, and in the project I'm currently working on, an emotional slice of life story. All involve furry characters of one sort or another (We are on Weasyl, what did you expect? ) and if anybody's interested in reading anything, feel free to click the link on the bottom of this post. :}

    My Gallery: https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/nelan

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    I'm actually considering submitting a few things to SofaWolf Press in the future (If anyone knows of any other furry publishers, feel free to mention them), and would love to get published in an anthology. The only issue is that I'm not quite sure if SofaWolf is right for me. Most of their anthologies like Hot Dish and Heat, seem like they primarily consist of pornography and eroticism. Not exactly something I'm too fond of writing at the moment...

    And I may throw a blog or two up, a relatively SFW one, of course. I've considered doing it in the past a few times, and now that I'm thinking about it again, I might just give it a shot. Putting a blog with furry porn that suddenly announces my own (mostly) SFW projects, just seems a tad odd right now.

    I write a few different story types ranging from first person science-fiction and action to slow, more emotionally geared slice of life. My gallery is below if you'd like to look.

    And lastly, thanks again. I really appreciate the help. :}

    My Gallery: https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/nelan
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    Alan Gregory returned to his bedroom chair with a small cup of tea, all set to continue his nightly routine, or rather, his nightly wait...

    https://www.weasyl.com/submission/45...-down-part-one

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    Well, my method is to just draw the picture material for the story. I have been drawing scenario of stuffs that happens in the fiction I am writing, or stuffs that I plan on writing about in the future. Once in awhile, the pic or character design would strike out to a random watcher or viewer and I would actually get a note asking about the tag I used and the link for the fic itself. Some even volunteered to help be proofreaders for it. My recent chapter had stuffs fixed later thanks to their help.

    Another way is to involves a large group in your story. Like, I do have a bunch of anthro char in my story since it was originally going to be a furry fic (becuse I got tired of designing human chars) but some people would be turned off if I just say it's a "furry story" so I just go with "fantasy". It's easier to attract readers with fantasy since non-furry, furry haters and furry can enjoy it. Add in a robot char or civilization for the sci-fi people and you get one fun stuffs to write about that everyone can enjoy if it's good enough.

    There's also the "I'll read your if you read mine" kind of reply you can give to people if they comment on your stuffs (Just don't be that bold. Go along something like "you mentioned your story and I'm interested. I should give it a look" AND ACTUALLY READ IT) . Get used to doing it, enjoy reading and criticizing people stuffs and you will probably attract a fan or two. Everything gets read if it is uploaded. That random 20 viewers might like your reply and give your stories a read.

    So yeah, just advertise and advertise. If words don't work, go with pictures. If pictures don't work, go pro on a certain game and try to hint about it to your fans. There are a bunch of methods outside of the "Here's my story, please read'.
    Last edited by Zeitzbach; 02-12-2014 at 11:37 AM.

 

 

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