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    Still having UTF -8 issues

    So before this whole markdown business, I uploaded simply using the "Compose" feature. Well....now that's gone. I see that .txt is accepted so I save my document as a .txt file and yet still it doesn't accept my submission. It accepts HTML but then we get this monstrosity here.

    I've tried damn near everything I can think of but none of it is working.
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    what are you using to write your stories? the easiest solution is probably to post it as a .pdf file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weykent View Post
    what are you using to write your stories? the easiest solution is probably to post it as a .pdf file.
    I'm using open office. I have no idea how to write in .pdf

    Just sayin' if a site says "Yeah we accept .txt" then I expect it should work with it. If not then take it down and say ".pdf only". Is Weasyl going to at least accept .doc in the future?
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    If you're using Open Office, copy/paste the text from the program onto Notepad instead. You'll see a dropdown menu, where you can choose UTF-8. It should work then; I worked for me. ^_^

    Of course, you'll have to use html tags for any italicized or bolded text, but it should work out fine for you. ^_^

    Edit: Er, I mean, when you "save as", on the new window, you'll see a dropdown, just to clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windthor View Post
    If you're using Open Office, copy/paste the text from the program onto Notepad instead. You'll see a dropdown menu, where you can choose UTF-8. It should work then; I worked for me. ^_^

    Of course, you'll have to use html tags for any italicized or bolded text, but it should work out fine for you. ^_^

    Edit: Er, I mean, when you "save as", on the new window, you'll see a dropdown, just to clarify.
    I tried that but I never got a drop down menu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    I tried that but I never got a drop down menu
    When you "Save As" a Notepad document, you should be getting this: http://i.imgur.com/q9r6UdY.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windthor View Post
    When you "Save As" a Notepad document, you should be getting this: http://i.imgur.com/q9r6UdY.png

    (One folder is redacted because it has my real name. ^_^; )
    THAT'S what you meant by a drop down menu. OKAY that makes more sense. Thanks a lot for that
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    Yeah, I should have been more specific, my bad. ^_^; Still, hopefully that works out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    Is Weasyl going to at least accept .doc in the future?
    official pronouncement: no.

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    RTF may be supported, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleu View Post
    I'm using open office. I have no idea how to write in .pdf

    Just sayin' if a site says "Yeah we accept .txt" then I expect it should work with it. If not then take it down and say ".pdf only". Is Weasyl going to at least accept .doc in the future?
    Quote Originally Posted by weykent View Post
    official pronouncement: no.

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    RTF may be supported, though.
    I want to expand on this, since there's a specific rationale that speaks to the decision not to support .doc explicitly. I know many people prefer .doc since it's so widely supported, but we have reasons for resisting supporting the format.

    The trouble with .doc-- and I specifically refer to .doc over .docx, which is a different format entirely-- is it's a legacy format. It was designed in the early stages of modern personal computing, so as a result, it's designed for efficiency on very old systems. In effect, .doc, bizarrely, is similar to a FAT32 filesystem. You may recall FAT32 file systems from back before Windows XP, where they switched over from the old-and-busted FAT32-- which couldn't handle long filenames or files over 4GB-- to the new-and-improved NTFS. That's essentially how old the .doc format is-- it doesn't simply pre-date Windows XP. It predates Windows 95. It predates Windows as a concept. It's very, very old. Its age, however, isn't what makes it so difficult to work with. Imagine having to deal with optimizations for disk iteration, for example. The optimizations made for doing things such as reading bytes off magnetic platters in such a fashon that very little platter rotation would be necessary to read the data. There are absolutely bizarre optimizations like this that make parsing the format an unnecessary headache.

    This is simply the hurdle in attempting to implement the parsing of .doc files for our users, however. There are various libraries and work-arounds for this, such as a tool that's been suggested by our developers called catdoc-- but that strips formatting. At that point, what's the point in submitting the .doc file anyway? A workaround could be simply allowing users to upload the text-documents and then refuse to perform presentation... but what's the point in that? Weasyl isn't designed to be an archive of art (like a folder-dump on a webserver) insomuch as a presentation medium with archival properties. It's the difference between allowing your website to index a folder full of pictures and, say, placing <IMG> tags around all those pictures in a specific presentation format. We don't want to do the former. That's boring!

    Add on top of this the security risks that come from the mind-bending amount of edge-cases that come from such a complex specification as .doc. Indeed, in the best-case scenario, we wouldn't be stupid enough to process macros. However, parsing partially-formatted plaintext from the .doc format is an extremely difficult task.

    .docx is a different format, though still difficult, still with its pitfalls and still rather unsavory to deal with in its own charming fashions. As there's been a solution for rendering PDF files in a safe manner by Mozilla, we use that.

    The unfortunate situation is that PDF files are the best bang-for-buck solution we can have for presenting text-based artwork. Most code-execution related activities in the PDF specification come from JavaScript triggers or even Acrobat-specific objects, which are more than easily ignored.

    Pretty much all composition tools-- like OpenOffice-- can export any document it can open to PDF. You should receive the same sort of formatting you would get with a .doc or .docx file, with all the addition of being able to save our developers the headache of having to support a decaying specification.

 

 

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