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    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    Pretty much nobody likes to eat just a salad, so they have to make them look really damn happy to be eating a salad to compensate. It's almost always a woman eating the salad, because women need to eat salad as part of their responsibility to strive to conform to the supermodel ideal of beauty as they are ornaments first and people second.
    ...I never thought of it that way, LOL.
    And "pretty much nobody likes to eat a salad," if it's PLAIN. That's why I put dressing on mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    Pretty much nobody likes to eat just a salad, so they have to make them look really damn happy to be eating a salad to compensate. It's almost always a woman eating the salad, because women need to eat salad as part of their responsibility to strive to conform to the supermodel ideal of beauty as they are ornaments first and people second.
    Well, obviously. As I sit here eating a steak and punching weights I pity the poor things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacch View Post
    ...I never thought of it that way, LOL.
    And "pretty much nobody likes to eat a salad," if it's PLAIN. That's why I put dressing on mine!
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    I think the difficulty I have with understanding what defines a gender or whatever else, is that I wasn't raised with all those social pressures that many people are. It confuses me because I'm a girl, but I have zero interest in most girl things, and lots of interest in boy things. I'd like for everything to just be things, and people can enjoy them regardless of their gender thing.

    I don't expect anything of someone based on their gender. I don't for example see a girl and assume she's going to want a barbie for her birthday, I see a girl and I ask her what she's interested in. I never felt especially surprised that my female TA in sculpture 1 was a welder and did all sorts of metal work, why should I?

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    Moving back to the original topic I find it interesting how some things are considered masculine or feminine almost arbitrarily. Salads are for women, protein shakes are for men, but Slim Fast is for women, even though it's a protein shake? I see this all the time and it makes me scratch my head. Not so much from a consumer standpoint (I eat what I want regardless of branding) but from a marketing standpoint, I don't see the advantage of artificially segregating your product into two markets instead of one neutral one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeenageAngst View Post
    Moving back to the original topic I find it interesting how some things are considered masculine or feminine almost arbitrarily. Salads are for women, protein shakes are for men, but Slim Fast is for women, even though it's a protein shake? I see this all the time and it makes me scratch my head. Not so much from a consumer standpoint (I eat what I want regardless of branding) but from a marketing standpoint, I don't see the advantage of artificially segregating your product into two markets instead of one neutral one.
    Kind of depends on the product. Some products have to be marketed towards a specific group because the other one won't benefit from it and it'll be a waste of their money. Or at least won't benefit as much from it but still a big waste.

    Things like salads though should be considered neutral because people use that in the same way though.

    On topic: I found this yesterday and thought it could be useful or anyone who needs it.

    But also does anyone have any other ways of dealing with it not found there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    ("Is it wrong to treat men like men, and women like women") is quite a loaded question :s
    People are tribal, we love labels and we naturally use lots of them to identify ourselves and others. Is this really so bad? Is it even something we can change? Does using the "trans" or "genderqueer" categories simply create additional labels through which we can identify? Outside of one's sex, for another example, many people identify by their culture, something else that they can't necessarily choose; is it wrong for people to do so? I guess my point is, can I reframe "treating a man like a man" as "treating an American like an American," as opposed to a Japanese, without being unfair or ignorant in some way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brace View Post
    Have you considered the possibility that you might be interpreting the same behaviors in different ways based on physical characteristics? For instance, if a very large man is standing very close, screaming at you while talking with his hands, that would be aggressive, but a woman doing the same thing would be hysterical, even though those are the same behaviors.
    I hadn't before considered conformation bias as a contributing factor. Do you feel it's enough to explain the full range and breadth of differences?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sacch View Post
    I know this is an overused example, but the media very much does "force" people into gender roles- subtly...we are not really "forced" into these gender roles most of the time, but we are subtly/subconsciously encouraged to partake in them starting from childhood. It's a form of socialization, and it can really suck.
    Is socialization a bad thing? Aren't we social animals, and aren't all aspects of personality impacted by outside forces? It's true that I like a lot of things I do because I grew up with them, I'm used to them, I'm familiar with them. It scarcely bothers me that I don't like soccer in part because I didn't grow up around people who liked soccer. It seems difficult to cloister ourselves from all outside influences until emerging as a fully-grown unique and independent person. If it were possible, would that preferable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by certifiedkowaidad View Post
    I hadn't before considered conformation bias as a contributing factor. Do you feel it's enough to explain the full range and breadth of differences?
    I think men and women might tend statistically towards different tendencies, but there's definite overlap, and outliers of either gender at any extreme. I think to the extent this overlap and the outliers aren't visible to you it's confirmation bias. I wouldn't go so far as to say that men and women don't typically behave in distinctive ways, although I have no dog in the fight of why.

 

 

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