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    Okay! -crackles knuckles- I am going to try to tackle this bit by bit. I am somewhat getting where you are trying to come from, but again this is more of a very small group compared to the big group that can benefit. First I will re-address how this is beneficial to those that are harassed/irritated.
    1. By having a stricter blocking system, no matter how easy it is to get around, it is still an extra obstacle a harasser has to work around. This will deter a fair group of them.
    2. While they can make more accounts if they want more access to your stuff, you can easily keep blocking those accounts. Work on both ends? Yes, but eventually the harasser gives up.
    3. Giving an artist a sense of small security is a big thing, and while sure anybody can look at their art if they are logged out....SOME pictures (such as those marked adult or mature) cannot be seen. Most people that are harassed are those in the erotic field, so at least some of that art is safe.

    However, this now gives people the power to abuse this feature on people who they deem inferior or unworthy of watching them as well as sets up the table to use coercion on others (if you fav and don’t comment I will block you, etc. Do as I say or you won’t see my artwork). If this type of abuse was incredibly rare I probably wouldn’t have made this thread. Unfortunately, it’s not and there are a lot of immature, irresponsible, judgmental, narrow-minded people amongst the people who are decent people and would not abuse the blocking system.

    A person who reacts this way or treats their watchers this way will QUICKLY lose their followers. They will get a bad name, as word spreads quickly. Are you unable to speak or look at THEM? Yes, but not the whole community. This particular person can still go to artists_beware or other communities, even their own page to report what has happened. No matter how great an artist is, they would be a fool to treat all their watchers like somebody they are entitled to and to demand things of them. Artists are to feel HONORED by those that follow them. Can you hold pride in a number? Yes, but as any successful artist should know, or anybody with common knowledge, you do not start going on a power trip on your watchers. Drama is like fire in the art community and they will quickly realize the consequences of their actions.

    I don’t disagree with that completely, but at the same time let me put it this way. Imagine you live in the city and you’d like to use the bus to get somewhere. The bus driver closes the door and drives away right as you try to get in. Is it the end of the world? No. You can take a more expensive cab or walk to the several miles instead even the though the bus was much better for you.

    This is completely non-relatable to this though. xD I see what you are trying to say, but it doesn't work. Getting transportation is essential in our time, viewing somebodies specific artwork is not. Also, if you have been blocked on other DA by several artists, it is probably because (I am assuming) you have an empty gallery or show almost no activity. Art theft is insane over there, so any empty accounts are extremely suspicious.

    This probably won’t affect people of your standing so much since you’re a well-known artist. But the lurkers and the people with porn/fetish stuff in their favorites/galleries are the ones who get affected by this more often due to being judged based on appearances. In addition (not that this has happened to me personally) I’ve also heard from a good number of people of who get blocked for POLITELY disagreeing with another. If blocking also means not being able to see one’s artwork then this may discourage others from saying anything even politely for fear of being blocked.

    Again, if somebody is blocked for 'politely disagreeing' with somebody, it is between those two people. If this person blocks you for just being polite and trying to make conversation, then they are not worth their time to worry or stress over. Perhaps it is better to not be able to contact them, since in the end the one that blocked is probably very aggressive and rash, and the conversation could have turned ugly. That is not something that should be pursued. Now other people being fearful of being blocked for trying to say something have learned the way this person is now, and have learned they probably are not a good person...or somebody they should really be watching. If this person is not open to other views it is probably best to just hold ones tongue.


    I hope this addressed most things in a satisfactory manner.

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    * i havent finished reading the recent responses but i would also like to make a point. that this isnt -just- about the artist. This is about all users on this website. It is about security for all people. anyone can get harassed or have reasons of which to block people. Heck, i have blocked people who have done nothing to me, but may have shown that i dont want anything to do with them by making a giant scene, acting like an ass to friends, and even, in some cases, because of an artist/client beware post and i have seen proof of their attitude and dont want to ever deal with them Some might not see it as all proper reasons. But everyone has their reasons and their reasons are their own. Sometimes it is better to put a stop to drama before it starts. Especially when you have proof of a person possibly coming to you. This is for safety of all. not just artists.*

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    So it isn't a bad idea, it's just a good idea that others will find a way around. Makes sense to me. I'd like to see some kinda "Pending Approval" feature for comments and such implemented sometime in the future, that might be cool. Then again, this is 2012 Internet. People are gonna harass, people are gonna stalk, and people are gonna be douchenozzles. The only sure fire way around it, sadly, is to now get involved and not even use the internet. :<
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    I agree that advanced blocking would be a terrible idea. I'm all for regular blocking so that harassment and such can be contained and avoided but being blocked for not having an icon is a little much.

    If we do put in an advanced blocking feature into the site I suggest that mods would have to overview on why they want to block this problem. That way people aren't getting blocked for not little things such as not commenting enough. Also this way people won't just simply do it to block someone that much. It'll be too much of a hassle unless there's a real problem present.

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    Advanced blocking seems fine to me. I haven't encountered enough people who block others for frivolous reasons to think it's a big deal and I would like the extra security.

    I've seen people who will block other people for things like what content is in their favorites, but only once or twice and they seemed like they were younger people. I don't think most people would pass up the chance for internet attention and e-penis points over someone's avatar or lack of commenting on favorites.
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    I have a feeling that a good chunk of the userbase is just going to end up having second accounts for evading blocks.
         
       
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    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    I have a feeling that a good chunk of the userbase is just going to end up having second accounts for evading blocks.
    Which would clog up the website just like how everyone has a ton of side accounts on FA.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Doki View Post
    Which would clog up the website just like how everyone has a ton of side accounts on FA.
    You'll get that with any blocking system though, might as well go with the more advanced one.
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  9. #39
    @Tarti

    “First I will re-address how this is beneficial to those that are harassed/irritated…” – Stopping the ability for an account to watch you (or see your page) does not hinder dedicated harrasers/stalkers anymore than basic blocking does. Them not being able to watch/see you from their throwaway account does not make it any more difficult for them to sign up for another account.

    It’s like having a chain-link fence between you and the harasser/stalker. They walk around the fence and still get to you. Blocking the ability to watch/see you from the throwaway account is like throwing up a blanket so they can’t see you from where they are currently and they still walk around the fence just as they did before. It does not hinder them any more than a chain-link fence without a blanket. There is no additional hinderance by having this feature. So point #1, there is not additional obstacle as it’s EXACTLY the same amount of effort to sign up for another account. Point #2 would be the same for both basic blocking and advanced blocking, it is not made any more difficult to sign up for another account. Point #3 would only work if they didn’t sign up for another account – which dedicated harasers/stalkers do.

    “A person who reacts this way or treats their watchers this way will QUICKLY lose their followers. They will get a bad name, as word spreads quickly.” & everything else you said in this paragraph – That is the way it should be. Unfortunately that’s not always the case. There are some popular people that can get away with almost anything. I’ve personally seen one popular artist FLAT OUT insult one of their customers. It was brought to AB and everyone sided with the plaintiff. The popular person lost about 30 watches (they even noticed too). A week later they got those 30 watches back plus 20 more. Did what they did to the innocent buyer even affect them? BARELY, but in the end, no not really at all.

    There are other popular people who KEEP SHOWING UP in AB for stiffing people or really shitty behavior and they STILL keep getting commissions left and right. It is really sad to see the same person’s name keep showing up time and time again because they can get away with this time and time again. People tend to be starstruck with the popular people so a lot (though thankfully not all) will tend to be biased with them despite any horrible/injust thing they do.

    “ Getting transportation is essential in our time, viewing somebodies specific artwork is not” – I was aiming more for the “it gets really annoying when something like the example keeps happening over and over when you’ve done nothing wrong”. This was the closest example I could think of, but you say you get what I’m getting at so I’ll leave this as is.

    “Art theft is insane over there, so any empty accounts are extremely suspicious.” – Ok, THAT I was not aware of and I guess that could be the reasoning for it. But if anything that kinda proves that I’m deemed “guilty” without actually having done anything wrong. On top of that, again it’s not difficult for dedicated thieves to bookmark someone’s page and manually visit or keep making new accounts while abandoning their throwaway accounts. It’s more of an inconvience for innocent people who settle with their main account though.

    “Again, if somebody is blocked for 'politely disagreeing' with somebody…” & everthing else said in this paragraph – If it blocked communication alone I wouldn’t care and I’m sure a lot of other people wouldn’t either. If it blocks the ability to watch or see one’s page then it’s a whole different story for people on my end. I recall a lot of people who wanted to disable journal notifications on FA because they wanted to see the person’s art but not hear what they have to say (at least this is what a good number of people have said anyways).

    I really don’t want to have to walk on eggshells or to jump through flaming hoops (if you don’t comment enough I block you, if you fav and don’t comment I block you, etc) in order to have the privilege (which I may still be blocked because I’m considered inferior) to watch someone’s art on public art gallery.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d love for there to be an effective way to stop (or at least actually greatly hinder) legitimate harassers/stalkers WITHOUT screwing over innocents. Even better, I’d love for everyone to stop being douche bags to each other and for us all to just be respectful and courteous to each other – that would be ideal. But there are douches and advanced blocking won’t stop them any more affectively then basic blocking and will create problems for others instead. This is what I’m trying to get at. : (

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    @Temrin

    “that this isnt -just- about the artist. This is about all users on this website.” – I used artist to clarify what end was what in my point. However, that was unfair of me as people who would abuse the system can also be art posters as well. I’ll try to use different wording to clarify the block abuser in future discussions.

    “It is about security for all people.” – The entire point of my argument was to show you guys that stopping people from watching you and/or seeing your page is not more secure than basic blocking. If someone cannot watch you they simply have to bookmark your page and manually visit. If someone can’t see your page they simply have to make another account and either watch you incognito or bookmark your page and manually visit. This does not hinder people who are dedicated to harassing/stalking others any more then basic blocking does. This does not inconvenience dedicated stalkers/harassers anymore then basic blocking does since advanced blocking does not hinder their ability to make a new account any more than basic blocking does. Harrasser/stalkers will have no problem making new accounts and abandoning throwaway accounts. Innocent watchers aren’t going to be so willing to pack everything up and make a new account. Innocents are really the only people who are going to be hindered by advanced blocking.

    Everthing else you said – this is why basic blocking is needed. Advanced blocking doesn’t make this situation any more effective. That’s fine if you want to block someone because they are genuinely a shitty human being and constantly cause drama or are a known art thief or have been featured on AB several times. If you want to prevent communication between these people feel free. I’m concerned about the problems advanced blocking will cause to innocents.

    As I told Tarti - I really don’t want to have to walk on eggshells or to jump through flaming hoops (if you don’t comment enough I block you, if you fav and don’t comment I block you, etc) in order to have the privilege (which I may still be blocked because I’m considered inferior) to watch someone’s art on public art gallery. Especially because we implemented something that doesn’t do what people think it will.

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by piņardilla View Post
    I have a feeling that a good chunk of the userbase is just going to end up having second accounts for evading blocks.
    There's already folks with "Regular" and "Adult" accounts, though, the rule makes me wonder if it's ok (despite a mod saying otherwise when I asked).

    Can users have multiple accounts?

    Users are allowed to have more than one account, as long as it's not for the purpose of separating between art mediums or level of completeness (as that's what folders are for), for changing your username (as we have a function for that), or impersonating another individual.

 

 

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