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    Quote Originally Posted by Meii View Post
    I'm not an admin but I don't see an issue with male nipples since male nippils aren't sexualized like female breasts and nipples, so I'd imagine they're ok.

    It's kinda like how males can walk around shirtless, no matter the chest size, but if a female does it's considered 'indecent exposure'.

    Again, I'm not saying any of this is fair, but I'm just explaining how it is :/
    It's actually legal in many places for women to be topless in public. Only three states in the US outlaw female toplessness and it is legal in most Canadian provinces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontrees View Post
    It's actually legal in many places for women to be topless in public. Only three states in the US outlaw female toplessness and it is legal in most Canadian provinces.
    From what I'm reading, three states have banned it, you're correct. However, 14 states (including mine, NJ) have ambiguous state laws, so take that as you will. It also says that despite the laws being placed, even if a top free law is firmly in effect, the police can still arrest you under the pretense of "disorderly conduct". Sure, you can sue the city but I'd imagine that can take a lot of money/time some people don't have.

    I should have probably clarified as well that I'm talking about within the U.S, where besides NY and a few nude beaches, I've never heard the laws regarding it (until now). What I do know is the fact that if laws have been placed, I've yet to see them be followed, but that's the U.S for you... :/ What few rights we have left are still taken from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meii View Post
    From what I'm reading, three states have banned it, you're correct. However, 14 states (including mine, NJ) have ambiguous state laws, so take that as you will. It also says that despite the laws being placed, even if a top free law is firmly in effect, the police can still arrest you under the pretense of "disorderly conduct". Sure, you can sue the city but I'd imagine that can take a lot of money/time some people don't have.

    I should have probably clarified as well that I'm talking about within the U.S, where besides NY and a few nude beaches, I've never heard the laws regarding it (until now). What I do know is the fact that if laws have been placed, I've yet to see them be followed, but that's the U.S for you... :/ What few rights we have left are still taken from us.
    Reminds me of the law we (Florida) passed what last year? About bestiality, up until November it was legal because whenever we tried passing a law to outlaw it folks would add in more little titbits that had nothing to do with the subject of bestiality (such as doing drug tests on families wanting to apply for food stamps or other government help programs). But that's another story, I do agree that the whole sexualized thing about the female form is something that needs to be looked on again but I'd prefer Weasyl to be on the safe side of things especially now since they're rather small and possibly low on funds considering how new the site is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioCatastrophe View Post
    Reminds me of the law we (Florida) passed what last year? About bestiality, up until November it was legal because whenever we tried passing a law to outlaw it folks would add in more little titbits that had nothing to do with the subject of bestiality (such as doing drug tests on families wanting to apply for food stamps or other government help programs). But that's another story, I do agree that the whole sexualized thing about the female form is something that needs to be looked on again but I'd prefer Weasyl to be on the safe side of things especially now since they're rather small and possibly low on funds considering how new the site is.
    Lol wat, really? Damn Florida, you really are a crazy place. And yes, it's very stupid that the female body is sexualized the way it is. That being said, I agree with Weasyl covering their tracks. I'm sure the majority of us can agree that they shouldn't have to, but it is what it is sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meii View Post
    Lol wat, really? Damn Florida, you really are a crazy place. And yes, it's very stupid that the female body is sexualized the way it is. That being said, I agree with Weasyl covering their tracks. I'm sure the majority of us can agree that they shouldn't have to, but it is what it is sadly.
    Yeah.. learned about it in my gov class when I was still in school xD
    Was a.. uh.. "touchy" subject to discuss with certain groups of classmates

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    The MPAA isn't the best source for comparison.
    I think with art we should use art as a comparison.
    There are hundreds of paintings, classical to modern that show nudity in a non sexualized sense that are hung in public.
    While statues were censored during the dark ages classical art is not considered pornography nore even Mature by society standards.
    On the Strictest google search setting when searching classical paintings quite a few had nude figures.
    We are taught art history in middle and high school and taken to museums on field trips where stuff like this is mainstay.
    I think that non sexualized nudity should fall under mature.
    Many artist who draw nudity on a non sexualized manner are offended that their art be lumped with porn on the adult only catergory.
    I wouldn't willingly want figure drawings marked adult just because a nipple is showing. They are not porn nore do I want them associated with porn .

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    We're actually rewriting the ratings system right now to take a lot of feedback into account.

    One thing though. Something substantial about the classical paintings and those created by the masters are they have inherent artistic value. The history, the techniques, the imagery. There is artistic value there determined by history and experts. It's not as if they hang bar napkin scribbled on a wall.
    We're not here to determine if something has artistic value or not. we're not here to make a moral judgement on pornography, because frankly, there is pornography hung in art museums. Not modern edgey stuff. Take a look at Italian Renaissance painters and you'll find a fair amount of female masturbation. The work is still amazing and top quality, it is a study of the body and sexuality.

    Anyway point is, the ratings are being redone and we will have an announcement soon, do not feel morally outraged if certain things are considered adult. we do need to try and protect ourselves both legally, and with the businesses that we are using to host our services.

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    i understand your legal things, but i hope you realize that even though you're "not here to determine if something has artistic value or not", you just made it sound like nothing uploaded has artistic value simply because it hasn't been around for a couple hundred years, because it MIGHT be a scribbled-on napkin, even though in reality it could be likened to the masters. it's insulting. it's an art site. i'm going to assume that's not what you meant, but that's what it sounded like.

    in a not-really-related note on the topic of scribbled-on bad napkins...have you SEEN what's hanging in galleries these days? i went to a university with a very avant garde art program, and was taught that and worse is "the epitome of artistic beauty". THAT, i don't agree with. but it's there...hanging in galleries....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    i understand your legal things, but i hope you realize that even though you're "not here to determine if something has artistic value or not", you just made it sound like nothing uploaded has artistic value simply because it hasn't been around for a couple hundred years, because it MIGHT be a scribbled-on napkin, even though in reality it could be likened to the masters. it's insulting. it's an art site. i'm going to assume that's not what you meant, but that's what it sounded like.

    in a not-really-related note on the topic of scribbled-on bad napkins...have you SEEN what's hanging in galleries these days? i went to a university with a very avant garde art program, and was taught that and worse is "the epitome of artistic beauty". THAT, i don't agree with. but it's there...hanging in galleries....
    That's not actually how I feel at all. taking off my mod hat for a moment, I actually feel there is quite a lot with artistic value. The classics do get a pass in terms of content over modern works from what I have seen legally. That isn't to say there are not amazing works out there, just no one argues the value of classical works, because holding throughout history was enough. If that makes sense. It means for us, if some legal authority were to come in and demand we defend it, we're attempting to argue if it is artistic enough to not be obscene.

    Honestly the reason I don't actually want to sit down and say what has artistic value is because a lot does. Just someone trying to learn how to draw has value, and on an art site like this we need to protect that. That is why we are trying as hard as we can to make solid, objective rules.
    It isn't meant to be an insult, it's meant to be a legal cover. Our mature rating is not 18+ like other sites. so some things can be artistic, non-sexual nude, but in the eyes of the law they don't want minors seeing genitals.
    So, regardless of how you feel about adult work, the adult category does not remove the value from the piece. It just means that our services and legal authorities can't come after us because little Jimmy saw a man's peepee.

    Nipples are being reworked so you'll see what we did with that in just a bit.

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