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Hot damn y'all do good work.
Oh yes, Finally Aaaaaaaaaaarrrh, too much joy for wording right now
..PLEASE tell me that there'll be an option to keep the thumbnails aligned in a proper grid.
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Originally Posted by drake
Well you can't please everybody all the time, I suppose.
This is great, the thumbnails were my only issue with this website. Keep up the good work.
i have to agree with drake, i like having organized thumbnails. don't get me wrong, i like the dynamic thumbnails, but for certain tasks it's best to have square ones. regretfully i probably will leave weasyl if there's no option to have grid thumbnails.
It would be stupidly amazing if there was an option to keep this feature enabled or disabled at will, or even set it differently for different parts of the website! For example, I myself would find this an amazing mechanic for browsing, but I also think the classic thumbnails work just perfect for gallery previews (as in, when in the user's homepage). :D
While I can agree that getting as clean a look as possible is crucial, since full thumbnails are not going to be of a uniform dimension anymore (judging by the previews at least), there's only so much of a perfect grid you can get. Although with custom thumbnails I can see that happening, providing their size is the same.
I for one am overjoyed to hear this! A good thumbnail reworking at last. I know multiple artists that said literally the only thing that kept them from using Weasyl more was the limiting thumbnail dimensions so I'm hoping this helps usability for some.
I agree, I love it for browsing, but for the submission notification screen the regularity of the grid makes it so much easier to go through and select the specific images.
If its for dealing with custom thumbnails, they are going to have a tool to re-apply those so you'd still have the old squares instead of the dynamic display. I could see an option to showing either the square or dynamic being a possibility, but that's more for the devs to answer about instead of just a user like me ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonfangArun
This one. This would be the purely perfect combination I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Socks the Fox
Of course, we're talking about Weasyl here, not YouTube or FA. It probably will already be like this by default, and if not the devs will no doubt fix or keep feature as they see it'd be fit for the most user-friendly possible look.
I could see the combo working, but it could also cause issues since the submission creator would still end up having to crop images and the main point many people have against the squares would still be relevant. Only way I see the grid style working was if it was set up like how other art sites do it.
Hm, you have a point. I remember DeviantART let you choose on the fly whether to display submissions as thumbnails or text based notifications, maybe you could do it like that and have the automatic crop for people who just like the uniform look.
People will leave a site for any dern reason these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonfangArun
To clarify: I don't want square thumbnails. They're dumb as hell. I want arbitrary aspect ratio thumbnails, but smushing them all together in a continuous blob makes it hard to scan IMO. I just want them to be put in a regular grid, like... every other art gallery site ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonfangArun
I suppose it's a good thing I never got around to uploading very much of what I have published elsewhere. The pre-existing thumbnail device had better work wonders, because I'd hate to waste my time modifying what's already there.
At this time there's no way to keep the thumbnails in a grid. They're organized into rows of uniform height, but within a row the widths may vary. Try it out for a while when it launches; I was skeptical myself at first as well, but it really does create an effect similar to reading a book left to right, and I got used to it. It also uses space more efficiently than a grid, which is important for large, non-uniform thumbnails.Quote:
Originally Posted by drake
If you still aren't satisfied with it, we'd value that feedback. At this point in time, there are no plans for supporting two different layouts. However, the observation about a grid for notifications is an interesting one, and if people do find the new layout problematic for notifications, we may look into creating a look there that works better there. In that case still, we'd probably only support one layout in each place, i.e. a grid for notifications (and perhaps some other areas of the site) and the uniform-height-variable-width rows everywhere else.
Handling the transition and any hiccups will probably occupy us for a while at first, of course.
Awesomeness. Glad to see Thumbnails will now show the full image.
Thanks, Weasyl!
I'm also in favor of a grid display if possible, but the fact we're moving from square thumbs is already an improvement in my book.
To people requesting square thumbnails for browsing the inbox, this would be sorted out by having a consistent grid; instead of keeping 2 thumb systems, you just change how they fill the screen.
I suggest the UI crew study deviantART's current system - they did the same "organic grid" in the past and put a regular alignment toggle option later on.
Just one question: what happens with way too wide or way too tall images? Let's say an aspect ratio of 20:1 or 1:20. I'm afraid wide images might break stuff and tall images will go unnoticed as a thin line between pictures.
For the most part: We limit the thumbnails to be twice as wide as they are tall or twice as tall as they are wide. This will accommodate most visual submissions just fine. Very wide images (like panoramas) will be cropped equally from both sides towards the center, so the middle is shown. Very tall images, like vertical comics, are cropped from the bottom up only, so that the top is shown (which is probably what people want since these images are usually read top down).Quote:
Originally Posted by Uluri
EDIT: PlayPossum, does that answer your question?
Absolutely, Lagos. Thanks. :)
Everything looks awesome so far but I just want to put here for posterity that I would also really like an organized grid as the others already suggested.
I have been reading the forums a lot since I signed up and I'm aware of the populous that wants full previews, but since I haven't been around long enough to form an opinion about squared thumbnails, I'll just cheer on the Weasyl Team in their ability to give the people what they want, which is no doubt hard work - Go Weasyl Team!
This is certainly a more progressive initiative than what I was expecting; it looks more or less like what DeviantArt has been planning to implement, with the minimal spaces in between and such. I approve, mostly. But I have a couple suggestions:
One, I'd like a user option to disable any custom thumbnails that are left when this goes into effect. Knowing this site's userbase, there are going to be a lot of them, and it kind of defeats the purpose of switching to this system (though being able to generate custom thumbs that are non-square will probably at least help them look less crap). Frankly, people who choose to use custom thumbnails for visual art when it's purely optional are probably the people I'd trust the least to use them properly and tastefully — not unlike people who used to install custom themes on MySpace. I remember back when FurAffinity upscaled their thumbnails, dropping the custom thumbs that were already there in the process, and thinking "I sure ain't complainin'." Too often I would see artists use them as a way to shamelessly inflate hits by making people have to click just to see what the picture actually is; ironically, in practice it tends to have the opposite effect because all you see is a sea of zoomed-in faces. The other excuse, that certain types of content should be labeled lest people be forced to see non-vanilla porn — or even a certain type of vanilla porn — without choosing to click, is negated by our mandatory tagging rule and user filters.
Two, what's going to happen for things like comic strips that are way wider than they are long or vice versa? DeviantArt clamps their thumbnails to be a maximum of something like 3:1/1:3 and zooms in on the center; with our built in thumbnail-cropping tool, it would be easy to require people who upload such images to tweak the "normal" thumbnail in case they want to focus on a particular set of panels (maybe customize it so that they can only shrink or expand the zoom on the shorter dimension — e.g. they could crop to a single panel but not zoom in on it).
Does keeping custom thumbnails only pertain to those that have been physically uploaded?
Some replies to you, Firehazard:
On the subject of disabling custom thumbnails, we won't have this as an option at launch, but we've designed the backend schema in such a way that we'll be able to implement it in the future. It was one of the design goals. No timeline on this, however. Where do you think it would make sense to enable/disable this? User settings?
The only really tricky thing about 'disable custom thumbnails' is the design decision around non-visual submissions: For a visual submission the notion of a generated thumbnail is straightforward: It's just a thumbnail built out of the submission itself. But what's the 'default thumbnail' for a multimedia embedded YouTube video with a cover and a thumbnail? Is it the thumbnail itself? Is it a generated thumbnail from the cover image? Is it the preview image YouTube provides? What makes sense as an answer for this is going to vary from person to person and submission to submission. My personal intuition right now is that 'no custom thumbnails' should be an option that only applies to visual submissions.
On the notion of using custom thumbnails tastefully, I understand your concerns. Right now I'm not sure what this is going to do to view counts, so it's just speculation to see what emergent behaviors arise; I'm not familiar with what happened when FA dropped their custom thumbs. At the same time, it's ultimately up to the artist to decide what their thumbnails should be (within the code of conduct and ratings guidelines) and some of them have put in a lot of time: In particular, a lot of artists have put in a lot of time crafting custom thumbnails that label triggering content. This was one of the primary motivations around providing an 'opt-out tool' at launch to let people restore their old thumbnails.
For what we do about very wide tall or wide submissions, read my post above. What I'll add here is that we've modified the image select tool on the weasyl site to enforce an aspect ratio between 2:1 and 1:2 so it should be easy to create a thumbnail that fits into the dimensions without surprises.
Looks rad, I like it.
My question is: will these images take longer to load than usual while on mobile?
No: Any non-default thumbnail which was previously in use should be available for restoration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antosaurous
Very happy for an update. However, I am not as fond off what it seems to look like. Will there be an option to keep the old look?
=3
Just wanted to say, super excited to see this getting implemented! I've been really frustrated browsing the site with the old thumbail system, and I'm really hoping this will bring in more browsing traffic. Props to the site staff for listening to the community and putting in the work to make the change.
I also second what Firehazard was saying, I'd really like to see an option to globally disable all custom thumbnails. I'm glad to hear this is in the pipeline. Lagos, in response to your comments on the matter, I'd expect to find the option under Settings > Site Preferences. I'd also agree that it should only apply to visual submissions, and the custom thumbnails for text/ video submissions should be kept.
I like the new look. Normally I prefer a uniform grid but I'm perfectly pleased with the upgrade to this system over the square thumbs.
Just a quick question; I've been having an issue with thumbnails in that rather graphic little squares appear in my inbox, featuring content I would not normally chose to view. Is there a way around that? If not could at some point in the future there be an option to not see the thumbnails of works of certain ratings? (Or is there one and I missed it?)
Hi, Stakie. At this time, there are no plans to continue supporting the old look and that won't be an option at launch. I think most people will like the new look (at least the old thumbnails have been our #1 user complaint and we ourselves think the new thumbs look great), but obviously not everyone is going to like it. Unfortunately, I don't think we have the resources to support two looks at once well right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stakie
Please give it a try for a few days when it launches. If there are still things you dislike after using it for a while, we'd be happy to receive feedback: After all, this entire thumbnail-revamp was motivated by user complaints.
Please stop. You're making my faith in humanity restore too much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagos
Hello, Lorien. You can set the maximum level of content viewable on the site under Settings > Site Preferences. Now that being said, notifications have had a few bugs in the past due to all the cases where a submission changes its rating, becomes friends only, two people stop being friends, etc. so it's worked less well there than it has in other places--we fix the bugs as we find them. I assume that you're talking about seeing thumbnails in your notifications that are above the maximum rating you've set for the site?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorien077
We actually pushed another fix around notifications and ratings earlier this week in fact. If that fixes the problem and these thumbnails stop showing up, great. On the other hand, if you continue to see a notification for something that's above your current maximum rating, it's a bug and you should open a topic in the weasyl support forum. We'll want to know your account name, the maximum rating you have, etc.
I did mean just visual art. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Unless anyone has any bright ideas of how to produce automatic thumbnails for other things, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagos
You might have missed my edit — the mandatory tagging rule and blacklist kind of probably makes "warning" thumbnails unnecessary. And if it doesn't, then users who have triggers shouldn't have to be reliant on people making such thumbnails voluntarily, either. But I don't know how you'd work around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagos
Yeah the thumbnails are probably unnecessary, but that doesn't mean people won't still cling to them :P
anyway
new thumbs sounds alright, I never really had a problem with the old ones but I doubt I'll have a problem with the new ones either.
As long as people won't be able to make thumbnails that totally hide/misrepresent what the image actually contains (for example, just seeing a face in the thumbnail of a super-adult fetish image) I will be happy.
We're not removing the ability to crop thumbnails or upload custom thumbnails. I would expect this to greatly reduce the amount of use the crop tool gets, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparra
Here's hoping. Misleading thumbnails is pretty much the reason myself and a number of people I know are kinda hesitant about Weasyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hendikins
Nothing's more annoying than getting an inbox of faces and each have their own different rating, and the name of the image doesn't really imply the exact content.
there's always my hover-preview browser extension ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
oooo i like the changes very neat and useful, good job you've done good work!
*shrug* sounds good!
TBH i like cropping my little thumbnails, but also i like the "flow" of the new previews...and I couldn't muster to care about any thumbnail scheme....except egg.
egg was great.
Also I agree about the fake-outs and squick-factor thumbnails: a combination of rating, tagging, and filtering by both the uploader and the viewer should negate the need for them.
I think if there was a way to have writing uploads provide an excerpt or synopsis that would be really cool. But Also it's an inherent difficulty of uploading writing to galleries primarily targeted at images. Even a site like tumblr which is supposed to "do" both text and image, can't sustain longer text posts...Wordpress/Blogger/*Journal still are better formats because they are totally about text uploads. (huh: idea, if browsing written work or journals was in a different, but complementary UI...but that might be needlessly complicated and may "other" those kinds of submissions more.)
(idk i don't upload any writing or even read a lot on the site; maybe because I'm more comfortable doing it on Journal/Blog sites than "Gallery" sites)
FINALLY!! I got so tired of people making their thumbnails a zoomed in view of a face when theres so much more to be seen. Thank you for doing this!!!!!
To be fair, it is physically impossible to provide as much information about any other format of media in a thumbnail-sized space as a thumbnail can provide about an image. I suppose, in a way, the poor thumbnails we currently have are evening the playing field somewhat. :P But that would only be worth something if we were the only game in town.
So long as this is being worked on, I do have one other idea. FurAffinity lets you click on the corner of a thumbnail to get the author's description. I like that. Could we maybe do something like that, but... well, Weasylier? Like, remember how the titles used to be overlays that would slide in when you moused over the thumbnail? Maybe recycle that code for pop-up descriptions. Now that thumbnails will mostly be big enough to fit all that in.
While I appreciate the effort made, Weasyl is certainly the most slick looking of art galleries I visit, this type of thumbnail usage I find difficult to browse and keep place when scrolling. Tend to jump right into a Stylish plugin and see if there is alternatives for sites I use that do this over set/square ratio thumbnails.
I'll still try it out, but past history use with this type of thumbnail layout has just made me cringe. But I know I'm also from the group who likes text based links over thumbnails anyway so I can't complain that much! :)
One of the devteam's design goals is that Weasyl work just as well on mobile devices as desktop computers without them being two separate projects, and anything "mouseover" flies in the face of that, since mobile interfaces don't use pointing devices. We do have an open API so that users can create third-party extensions that enhance Weasyl's functionality on their platform of choice. Noxid's Weasyl Enhancer extension mentioned a few posts up seems like exactly what you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehazard
Interesting. Honestly since joining I've been perfectly happy with the current thumbnails system. It's already far better than DeviantArt who has been at this for years. I really appreciate the option to create the thumbnail from the image itself. It saves me a lot of time and effort making a whole new one or cropping it myself in an art program.
I'm interested to see how this new thumbnail system works out. Thanks for all the effort devs. :3
On the Multimedia discussion, I can add some food for thought:
First, by reviving a suggestion I've made some time ago on indicating media type through an icon.
Next, about the thumbnails themselves:
- Text
If no custom thumb is given, make it a square block of text using the beginning of the text (like deviantART);
If the user wants to insert an excerpt instead of a custom thumbnail, that could be possible as well, like magazines do to catch your eyes even if you don't read the whole thing;
The latter could be abused with unrelated words being used, though, so maybe a check for the excerpt in the body of the full text would be required.
- Music
If no custom thumb is given, check metadata for embeded cover art (I'm pretty sure this one is easy);
If nothing is found, use a default music thumbnail (like a Weasel with headphones or something);
- External websites (YouTube, SoundCloud etc.)
If no custom thumbnail is given, use the website's thumbnail (YT) or cover art (SC), for example.
- SWF
Tough one. Out of ideas. Maybe, as suggested in music, have some default thumbnail related to SWFs.
On a final note, I know Soundcloud will use the user's avatar by default if the user doesn't provide specific cover art for a track, so maybe doing this as a last resort could be an option.
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And another question that came to mind: it's been said custom thumbs will have the 2:1~1:2 aspect ratio limit, but will this be free reign to the user? Like having a wide image, but making a tall thumbnail? I find this confusing, and the thumb having the same ratio of the full piece would make more sense. But, on the other hand, there are a couple of submissions of my own that would benefit from this flexibility.
Example:
(Moderate) https://www.weasyl.com/submission/93...2-wrong-number
This group shot is taller than it's wide, but a good thumbnail for it could be a wide framing of their busts.
The thumbnail can be of any aspect ratio (within the limits), regardless of the aspect ratio of the submitted piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayPossum
Do not want.
Prefer consistent, grid style, uniform thumbs.
Please ensure there's an option to NOT use this new, horrible, disorganized option.
Would making tap and hold also bring up the overlay count as "treating mobile as a separate project"?Quote:
Originally Posted by piñardilla
Hi there, Firehazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehazard
I know that this isn't directly related to the topic at hand, but I did want to bring to your attention another change made about a week back that you'd asked to have addressed, which was 'Many pages having a title of 'Weasyl''.
We identified several places where a more descriptive HTML title could be put in place, and have done so. If you'd like to take a look around, please see if you find the additions more to your liking, and if history is more navigable now. Thanks!
Hi, PlayPossum. I think Hendikins clarified the ratio issue (i.e. you can crop what you want from the image as long as the final thumbnail has a max ratio between 2:1 and 1:2).
On the notion of distinguishing between different submission types, the new thumbnails will distinguish between music and non-music submissions based on subtype, but that's it right now. We could detect shockwave easily but I don't know what an icon for that should look like. Some embedded links, such as YouTube, provide us with thumbnails that we use if none is provided.
For things like generating text previews or looking into mp3s, it's good ideas and doable (although do our users utilize the cover art tags in their mp3s? I honestly don't know), but it requires supporting another library in the code base. So I can't say when that will be done or if it even will at all. If text previews are something a lot of people want, though, and they request them, we'll certainly look into it.
Thanks.
EDIT: Ah. I see that in your other screenshot, type of a multimedia submission is indicated with a tiny corner icon. Interesting.
First of all, BIG THANK YOU!
It wasn't that big issue for me personally but if this kept many people away from Weasyl, then I'm happy it's fixed! :)
If they use proper CSS, then it will take less than a minute to write a user Style you can use with the Stylish addon for any major browser, and have them gridded for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by drake
BUT... the beats the whole purpose, IMO.
Remember, there was lost of discussion on how to properly address this, since some pics are very wide, or tall, etc. and forcing them into equal size boxes would make those very tiny. This was the main issue with properly sized thumbnails, that was brought up. This fluid design is the solution for that!
Still... once it's out I can whip up a User Style and give instructions on how to use it, for those who want grid boxes...
P.s.: I got OCPD, lack of organization drives me nuts, and yet, I will rather use the fluid design because it is simply much more efficient.
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That's like calling bananas horrible, tasteless things, just because you personally don't like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heuvadoches
I got OCPD and I prefer the new fluid one...
What's the point of an organized grid if you can'§t see sh*t from the actual pics?
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Most likely will be easily doable via a local CSS, like as what I suggested for restoring grid for those who want that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorien077
My understanding is that if it requires detection of what sort of device Weasyl is being viewed with to determine the appropriate UI behavior, it's a no-go. Reading would be difficult with a finger in the way anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehazard
Try out that browser extension. I use it myself, it's pretty nifty.
It's an improvement, yeah. Adding "Home" to the home page might have actually been overkill, at least once all the other pages with titles of just "Weasyl" had been dealt with. And they haven't; the notifications pages as well as staff posts (like the one that directed me to this thread) are still generic. Everything else seems to be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by skylerbunny
I'd like to add my voice to those who would like a fixed grid with variable whitespace to be an option. While this kind of layout is nice for simply looking at a bunch of images and possibly picking a couple out, I have long found it sucks when it comes to going through them all.
Dunno if it's because the new update brought a big influx of users, but the site has been extremely slow since it was pushed.
We at Weasyl are proud to announce the launch of the new redesigned thumbnails! The development team has been hard at work on Weasyl’s systems to allow for a better experience on both desktop and mobile devices. The larger thumbnails will better represent submissions throughout the site.
As we mentioned in our previous news post, all submissions with square thumbnails have now been converted to new larger ones, where possible. If you still want to use your old thumbnails, don’t worry! They have not been lost. A tool to restore your old thumbnails for individual submissions is available in your Weasyl settings.
While we’ve tested the new look internally, this change represents a significant restructuring of Weasyl’s codebase, and we never assume that we’ve caught everything. If you encounter bugs or unexpected behavior, please post your issue in our feedback and questions thread.
The developers have made some other upgrades to the site as well. You can now:
-Press and hold “Shift” while creating custom thumbnails to keep them square
-Press “F” to favorite a submission and “C” to comment on it, in addition to the existing folder navigation using the left and right arrow keys
-Preview earlier and later submissions in a folder from directly beneath the current submission
With the upgrade to Weasyl’s look, we’re updating our browser standards. Some features may look different in older browsers, such as IE9 and below, and Android versions 2.x and earlier. Apologies for this! If you have issues browsing, you may wish to upgrade your browser or consider another way to connect with us.
We’re glad to finally share this change with you, and look forward to the next!
I have (or rather I had) custom thumbnails for 13 recent story postings. When I looked at them just now, the most recent three thumbnails had been converted to large icons which were all the same image (one containing the letters A and a). The other ten thumbnails had not (yet) been converted. See https://www.weasyl.com/~furrywurry
a) (Un)fortunately the statement that all thumbnails have been converted is incorrect.
b) I got a "gateway timeout" error page when attempting to access the information about how to restore the previous icons. I suspect that this timeout and the lag that people are reporting might be related to the conversion process still running and beating heavily on the database, while at the same time people are trying to restore their previous icons.
Edited to add:
I've switched back to my original icons. The conversion tool showed that four icons had been changed.
This new appearance with the thumbnails creates a bias towards images of the "landscape" variety while pushing portrait-shaped pictures into the background by automatically making them smaller.. So people are less likely to click and look.
Here's hoping we don't have the previous issue of everyone just making a thumbnail of some small portion of the image and/or just the face which doesn't represent the whole image! :D
So what was that about not adding features that aren't available on mobile? Because the last time I checked, most mobile devices didn't have physical keyboards. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiger
I'm not sure squashing the thumbnails together is the best choice of layout. Aligning thumbnails to a grid like they were before or giving more portrait-oriented images wider side margins to offset them might help with the problem UndyingSong mentioned and give the layout a bit more breathing room in general. A cleaner layout would also help Weasyl look more like the art gallery it is - this layout looks more like a photo-sharing site like Pinterest, or a Google image search. It looks very busy and cramped and chaotic, like pictures were just dumped all over the screen wherever they would fit, not cared for and curated. The thumbnails also just seem uncomfortably large to me, but I'm guessing larger thumbnails were a common request to show more detailed previews.
This is definitely a functional improvement, and one that most everyone seems to want, so I suppose I'll adapt. I'll try catching up a bit on my ridiculous backlog and see if it grows on me. Regardless of my personal preferences, it's always great to see the site growing and changing.
I don't even know if it's possible, but for those that liked the grid and still want full previews/thumbnails perhaps Weasyl Team could try something like This in the future - because compromise.
Hi, FurryWurry. Thanks for the feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by FurryWurry
You are correct. Unfortunately, in the case of literary or multimedia submissions it isn't always possible to generate a new thumbnail: Unlike visual submissions there isn't a clear image to work from for this--cover is not always the right answer, for example. This is why we said 'All existing visual submissions will have their thumbnails converted to full-preview thumbnails that are generated automatically' (emphasis added). Not trying to be pedantic about it: We could have probably drawn out this distinction with more clarity.
Where possible, we've pre-emptively copied over the old thumbnails for literary and multimedia submissions to new ones, so that literary submissions wouldn't suddenly all be without thumbnails at the switch over. However, there was a window wherein new literary/multimedia submissions would not receive this treatment automatically. Fortunately, we designed the restore tool to be able to set them back, as you did if I'm reading you correctly. If anyone can't find their old thumbnails with the restore tool, that's a bug and you should report it.
Spoilers: The conversion process finished weeks ago and we've just been sneakily creating new thumbnails in the background for visual submissions ever since. =:) But you're right about the rest of it: I suspect the database is busy. If people keep experiencing lag here, please let us know!Quote:
b) I got a "gateway timeout" error page when attempting to access the information about how to restore the previous icons. I suspect that this timeout and the lag that people are reporting might be related to the conversion process still running and beating heavily on the database, while at the same time people are trying to restore their previous icons.
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Hello, Skrimp. Thanks for the suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by skrimp
We actually did investigate a fluid-column layout while experimenting. It scrolls well, especially on mobile. However, we chose to go for fluid rows: They are intuitive to scan, similar to reading for the majority of our users. Because Weasyl sorts most thing by time, it's important that the layout be easy to follow in a chronological order, and we found that rows were much clearer for that.
We'll keep it in mind. But at this time, I think we're still recovering from one drastic layout overhaul and are going to let things settle a bit before considering another one. =:)
Hey guys! Love the new update. New size thumbnails are great. I was wondering if it was possible to have an option size them all down uniformly? Like "zooming out"? I really loved seeing lots of submissions simultaneously.
I really love weasyl, it's my favorite art site! Thanks so much for creating such a user friendly site with such a wondreful community.
I think they seem a bit... big X3
I think having the height at 200px (at least on a 1080p monitor) is the sweet spot between too big (reducing the number of submissions visible at one time, knocking some off the front page early) and too small (making it difficult to tell what a submission is about).
We'll definitely keep this idea in mind — one of our biggest points of feedback was that people really wanted a great impression of what was behind the thumbnail, but there's definitely a case for people that would rather see more thumbs instead of more thumb. Thanks for the feedback!Quote:
Originally Posted by SemperFelesRubrum
Also worth pointing out that most browsers have a zoom function. Holding CTRL and pressing -, =, or scrolling the mouse wheel are the most common shortcuts for it. Given the variety of screen sizes and resolutions out there, it's difficult to hit on a one-size-fits-all solution.
https://www.weasyl.com/search?find=char
The only issue I'm having with this is that most character subs with 100x100 icons get spaced really far apart. I don't know if they need to just update the icons to be 200x200 or what, but yeah.
The issue is the same with journals, IIRC
I found how to change my own submission thumbnails back to the original size thanks to the link, but how do I change the thumbnails in my watchlist back to the original smaller size?
Hello, Gamedog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamedog
The way we represent characters and their thumbnails are a bit problematic: We couldn't generate new thumbnails for them and we can't pre-calculate their widths the way we can with other content, so they're always represented in squares. The smaller icons are the historical ones from before the change over. Newer characters will benefit from the larger thumbnails: You'll see that the newer ones are larger--but they're still constrained inside squares. Well, the good news is here at least people who prefer a grid will get a chance to see what they want and test it out. We do have a plan to bring characters more in line with the rest of our content but I can't provide a time estimate.
On the journal front, these are based on avatars, which are still small. We may need to look into a different layout there.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Hello, s_p.Quote:
Originally Posted by s_p
If I understand your question correctly, you're asking about the size of thumbnail images in your notifications. Is that right? Those are under control of the submission owners and only they can restore the original thumbnails. Any new submissions will also only have the larger thumbnails. At this point in time, we don't have plans to support the old geometry. If that's disappointing, feel free to leave feedback in this thread.
You can only change the thumbnails on your own submissions. Thumbnails on submissions owned by other users will be whatever that user has set.Quote:
Originally Posted by s_p
While I like the new thumbnails, I agree with UndyingSong. I tend to noticed the landscape pictures first.
But luckily, so far, it seems likes there's more portrait thumbnails. So I wouldn't call it a problem yet.
"Hello, s_p.
If I understand your question correctly, you're asking about the size of thumbnail images in your notifications. Is that right? Those are under control of the submission owners and only they can restore the original thumbnails. Any new submissions will also only have the larger thumbnails. At this point in time, we don't have plans to support the old geometry. If that's disappointing, feel free to leave feedback in this thread."
That is very disappointing as the new format is worse than the old one and in my view a huge step backward.
It wastes so much space and to be honest you seem to be shafting those of us with full sized screens for people that have smaller screens such as tablets and phones.
If I'm honest it puts me of viewing my notifications.
You really shouldn't make such changes unless the option is in place to keep the original settings, FA did that and it drove a lot away until in the end they were forced to make it adjustable in the settings.
I always gave weasyl more credit than FA, maybe I was wrong?
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"You can only change the thumbnails on your own submissions. Thumbnails on submissions owned by other users will be whatever that user has set."
That's a bit pointless, the thumbnails that matter most I can't change.
This so called upgrade wasn't thought out very well.
Mmmh, I liked the old one more.
While yes, it's nice to be able to see entire pic, the lack of uniformity and any grid makes thumbnails look like a mess. Just took a quick look through main page and got eyes strain >>
I'm afraid I just can't agree with this non-grid format. It doesn't look organised, and it creates this visual bias towards certain pictures as some others have pointed out. I absolutely hated it on DA, and DA lets you change the setting back to something that makes sure everything is within the same square area. It looks vastly more organised.
I agree that the square thumbnails sometimes ran into problems. Automatically created ones would crop an image such that you couldn't see things properly. I've also seen user-created thumbnails were cropped on a non-focus area, such that viewing the full image resulted in a unwarranted surprise.
Even if this could solve both (although iirc we still have user thumbnails), it doesn't feel orderly. There's bias in landscape images, they're overly large, and the page feels cluttered and confusing to look at. The images should all be the same relative scale, within the same square area. There's no way to get the best of all possibilities - the old system cropped content, this one looks a mess, and the third option will create space around images.
And I don't even know how this deals with characters, music, or written works.
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Secondly, putting the folder navigation between the piece and artist comments creates this large "gulf" between the two. It was fine at the bottom of the page, because that made it the last thing the user would likely see, as well as keeping it out of the way.
... thirdly, I am not fond of keyboard shortcuts being website variant. I have knocked arrow keys on a laptop I have before on a Tumblr theme, and wondered why the heck I was reloading pages - it was because the theme used them as page jumping. So keyboard shortcuts should be toggle-able too, and off by default.
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CHEESUS FRIGGIN CHEETOS people, STOP CRYING!
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Now, for those who voiced constructive criticism - as opposed to annoying whining - sadly they can't satisfy everyone. Thumbs was a Number One complaint, and without this fluid view, several pictures - like those landscapes - would appear tiny, and you still wouldn't bee able to see anything, which would lead back to the old problem.
Those who want a Grid layout: Sorry, but you are a minority. Even me, who got OCPD, and feels a bit irritated by the pics not lining up in columns, I rather have this new layout because it's just so much more better - so I rather try to get over my irritation and learn to love it.
Still, I'll soon see if I can whip up a local CSS that you can just use with Stylish addon and have your grid.
Been working on a grid system tonight if you're using Stylish: https://userstyles.org/styles/116050...p-squares-200x
While I've updated faults as I was told about them for a test audience, it is getting late for me and I'll have to recheck it tomorrow for anything that remains broken.
Also noticed that there is a lot of unnecessary empty space underneath the individual artworks, surrounding Older/Folder/Newer.
I've just noticed this new system doesn't always have the mature/etc markers aligned perfectly to thumbnails. That's honestly more of a nitpick though.
This isn't about being irritated things don't line up, it's the fact it's actually hard on the eyes. It's not better. It's not good visual design. It's confusing and "noisy". That's the best way I can describe it - it's noisy in that it gives a lot of content at once that is difficult to scan over. The old system avoided this, which was an advantage.
The stylish link above is pretty much the idea I was talking about. It's not perfect though, it needs to be part of the system so pages can adjust the number of things to load as needed. It doesn't reduce noise as much as the previous system, but it's still much easier to look at.
Only gonna comment on this because the reason this was changed because so many people didn't even know there was a folder navigation towards the bottom of a submission page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tayruu
There were quite a few times people requested folder navigation as a feature, and when they were told "hey that already exists", they were dead surprised because they just had never noticed it before. So it needed to he be moved.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by what you mean here. Could you go over what you are after and I'll take a look tomorrow. If it looks like this will flood over into this thread, I'll take the conversation over to private messages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tayruu
I did have an earlier build this arvo where it was all slightly smaller 1:1 ratio squares, but this ended up stretching thumbnails and I decided to go with square containers instead. Should be a way to do both that will come to me and wake me up at 2am, that's the usual way things happen in my head.
I also want to say again I do appreciate the work that went into the new layout, but I'm in that group that struggles to take content in when displayed the new way. No disrespect intended.
I can understand wanting the thumbnail to show more of the pic but why make them so HUGE. I mean it only shows about 12 pics per page. That is kinda overkill, don't you think. I tried changing them back to normal but it doesn't work. I just want the small thumbnails again so I can glance through my pics quickly and easily again.
That's fine, no disrespect taken. Thanks for making a styish theme to help out regarding it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ois
I don't think Stylish can do that - what I mean is that I assume under this new system, pages don't always load the same number of items per page? This way it can adapt the images loaded to fit "nicely".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ois
I could be wrong though, in which case never mind that.
Here you go:
Custom Weasyl: Grid view thumbnails
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As for the number of thumbs, yes that is in the system, we can't change that from the outside... BUT!!! If Weasyl implements just as much as an option in your settings for how many thumbs to display - a feature that should be implemented anyway IMO - it could work fine in conjunction with the User Styles.
This is literally the worst thing I've ever seen done to this site. The old design of thumbnail was a neat grid, this new one is hell to navigate around on. PLEASE revert back to the old way of doing it and keep square thumbnails, if you really want to improve them just make them have a bigger area.
The restore thumbnail tool seems to have gotten most of mine back to the way they were, but a lot are not right on where they are selecting. The suggestion of holding down shift doesn't work to keep it square. Why can't we select that it's just keeps the old format on new thumbnails? Or have a button that keeps it allows us to select an area and have it scaled to the old size?
I'm not sure something a simple as gridless organization is something others have to jump ship over. Personally I am totally fine with the asymmetrical look. I've had my fill of grids for years, especially with all of the modern day designers fawning over the whole "squares and grids are love" concept, so it's refreshing to see something different~ Considering what other things the staff COULD have done with the thumbnails I hardly think this is the worst.
I just want to reiterate and clarify; I don't mind the layout of the new thumbnails nearly as much as the size.
The size of the thumbnails is controlled by CSS, right? How about a user-selectable option of small/medium/large. Small would be 60% of the current size (150px height at 1080p), Medium would be 80% of normal (200px height) and large would be 100% of the current height (250px).
I would still prefer a grid layout on the notification screen, but I can understand not wanting to write a crapton of extra CSS just for that.
Love people who go butthurt about no grid, RIGHT UNDER my post with a HUGE RED link in it to a user style crating a grid view.
Well, I tried that add on, it didn't work :/
Well, I for one love this new look~!
My only issue with it is that because the thumbnails show so much, they sometimes replace the need to actually click on them to view the full picture. It would be interesting to see how overall view counts are affected in the long term.
How so? Maybe we can help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis_werewolf
You first need to install the addon, then you need to install one of the versions of my User Style. The install buttons on the Styles will work once the Stylish addon is installed.
You can also go to your Stylish and check i the Style is installed and activated.
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I believe that is only really an issue with icons and the like. I mean, if you look at a thumb and you don't open it then you probably won't like it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spur
Yeah, I downloaded it and installed it. I went back to my Weasyl page and it was still the same