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Wolf-Bone
08-28-2015, 09:30 PM
Okay, I was hesitant to share this idea here. I was considering just dropping the shit and seeing how people react but, I'm kinda with some other new/amateur rappers and musicians trying to start a group and we think it's important to get some kind of feedback because truth be told, the concept we have is kind of risky. Now, they love the idea. Only problem is, it's pretty much all my idea. Because of my background and the way we came together as a group it naturally does fall on me to be the "producer" or "hype man" or "unofficial leader" or whatever though typically we don't even play that shit. But the last thing most people where I'm from want to do, especially if they're artists, is think too hard about the "image" even when they know it's actually kind of important.

So the reason I'm posting this here is because this part of the game really is more about writing than music, though I can provide examples of what we're basing our sound off of if needed. Long story short, there were these two pretty popular rap groups you may have heard about in the pre-internet days, N.W.A and Bone Thugs N Harmony. In reality, we have more in common with N.W.A than Bone, but Bone's style appeals more to us and as much as we feel "reality rap" (in contrast to "gangsta rap" which is bullshit), Bone came out of N.W.A's legacy like we feel we're trying to and the style lends itself really well to themes of mysticism, struggle and redemption, loss and grief, hopes for a brighter future, basically just a really musically infused and challenging style of hip-hop that tries to take the building blocks a group like N.W.A leaves behind and turn it into the rap equivalent of The Wall or one of those concept albums.

I guess the first question is, what sounds realer to you? People trying to sound more like what they come from, or showing love to what they came up on? Is it better to take an old, tried and true, classic style and just jazz it up a bit for the modern era or to take something that practically works in spite of itself and try to refine it, reign it in, make a more precise, accessible story out of all the imagery and fiction and as a lot of bands say, "be the band you'd want to listen to"?

The second question is, how obvious should it be that, yes, this is basically a bunch of fans paying tribute to their musical inspirations and trying to pick up where they left off, move the sound in the direction they think it could've gone, etc? It just seems like in hip-hop especially, and this may be changing based on what I hear some rappers say about other/competing artists nowadays, but it's like if you're not claiming to be somebody other than just another guy inspired by what's already been done, you can't be taken as seriously. Like, nobody believes you could create something new and original out of something old unless you're trying not to do that, somehow.

I guess the final question for now is does the fact the artists themselves are often okay with their sound being used as a kind of template/training wheels for noobs count for anything? Oh hey I didn't even tell y'all what the group is called or what our "mythos" is and all that shit, so maybe I might have the element of surprise here yet.

TeenageAngst
08-29-2015, 12:54 AM
Why is this in the writing forum?

Wolf-Bone
08-29-2015, 01:23 AM
Why is this in the writing forum?

Why the fuck are you in a writing forum when you don't read?

TeenageAngst
08-29-2015, 08:23 AM
You're asking for advice on an idea for a rap group. That's not writing, it's not even about writing songs. You're asking about the concepts of where you want this group to go with its music, what your style should be, and you didn't even tell us what the group was about other than "kinda like NWA but more like Bone". That stuff belongs on multimedia or maybe the entertainment board as at least someone there is probably a rap enthusiast and can give you some idea what you're going for. You don't see me going on the music forum asking for advice on how to characterize a protagonist, and you don't see visual artists here asking about shading techniques.

Cause the Rat
08-29-2015, 10:15 AM
Wolf-Bone. This isn't FAF. You shouldn't insult people. And yes, this isn't about righting. It's about music. Righting just happens to be part of music.

Wolf-Bone
08-29-2015, 11:38 AM
If this isn't FAF then why does damn near every thread I post get crashed by some of the most pointlessly angry and negative people this side of the fandom who can't even "right" a good criticism. As if you replied for any other reason in the first place. I'm trying to promote pretty much any kind of discussion I can on here. Post some better fucking topics if you don't like mine.

Cause the Rat
08-29-2015, 11:48 AM
Because you insult people. Simply that. Try saying the same thing without insulting someone. Or explain yourself without lashing out. If your OP is about the writing of songs then posting a response like,

"I want to discuss the actual act of writing lyrics and not the musical aspect."

would be a HELL of a lot kinder than what your second post reads like. It would also help put the thread in the direction of what you would like to talk about.

Levi
08-29-2015, 12:02 PM
Not a bad topic, but it's really not a good place for it (as others have already said). Once you decide where writing-wise you'd like the thread to go, I'd be glad to chime in with my thoughts. As it is, I can't tell where this thread wants to go.

Wolf-Bone
08-29-2015, 12:14 PM
Because you insult people. Simply that. Try saying the same thing without insulting someone. Or explain yourself without lashing out. If your OP is about the writing of songs then posting a response like,

"I want to discuss the actual act of writing lyrics and not the musical aspect."

would be a HELL of a lot kinder than what your second post reads like. It would also help put the thread in the direction of what you would like to talk about.

Again, post a better example, maybe. Promote some actual discussion instead of whining. That is what I'm pissed about more than anything specific to any one person.

Cause the Rat
08-29-2015, 01:41 PM
And your lashing out AGAIN. Look Wolf_Bone. People are going to try to make things lighter. Truth is people like to enjoy each other's company. Even if it's online. If you constantly lash out people are going to slap back. The next time your angry don't post.

Try this,

Make your next post a simple explanation of what you wish to talk about in this thread. Three sentences at the longest. No lashing out. No getting even. No proving yourself.

Wolf-Bone
08-29-2015, 02:12 PM
And your lashing out AGAIN. Look Wolf_Bone. People are going to try to make things lighter. Truth is people like to enjoy each other's company. Even if it's online. If you constantly lash out people are going to slap back. The next time your angry don't post.

Try this,

Make your next post a simple explanation of what you wish to talk about in this thread. Three sentences at the longest. No lashing out. No getting even. No proving yourself.

You impose a 3 sentence limit on me and then waste more than twice as many pretending to be my dad. The question is, why should I be the one taking you seriously.

Taw
08-30-2015, 05:39 PM
Forgot to post this yesterday, but:

This thread needs to get back on topic, I've cleaned up a few of the posts in it so far. If this thread continues to stay off topic and people argue, I'll close the thread and may issue infractions. Please try and stay on topic, and stay civil everyone.

Wolf-Bone
08-30-2015, 11:27 PM
Honestly you could lock the thread for all I care at this point. I don't think anyone really wants to explore the whole thought process of how you go about coming up with the story or myth behind something like a concept album, let alone something that might have to go even deeper/longer like the tale of how a "fictional" band came to be. Like thinking to acts like Kiss, ICP, Prozac, or even to something as seemingly retarded as when the Ninja Turtles had a band, yes, those were crucial parts of the music but they were also something separate and, the best ones seem to truly be written as opposed to "we just pulled this out of our ass one day and happened to consistently tell the same story every time" are you serious???

I'm wondering if it isn't almost like writing a play. You know, I've tried almost everything else. But it might be like with an idea for a graphic novel I had once - great idea, just the concept was something way too big to try to even conceptualize your first time trying to do something like that. With that I eventually realized I could just cut my teeth on shorter, simpler stories that let me practice the basics to building and developing characters that change over time.

See, lots of people write stories about a band. Not a lot of people try to write a story that becomes something almost real. So as you can see I have a tough time knowing just how to approach this one. But it seems to me to start with writing. Well, that and drawings. Maybe I'll start with those and work from there. Drawing was always where I used to start traditionally, thing is there is nothing traditional here for me.

I took this on because it's some new shit, really outside my comfort zone but, something I think could make for some really kick ass art if nothing else.