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Hendikins
07-05-2015, 07:54 PM
https://cdn.weasyl.com/static/media/4a/45/08/4a4508b743401aaa825584a54b8408e5167130e38dda6ecada de1834c95ab567.png

Hello Weasyl users! Hopefully those of you in the USA have enjoyed your 4th of July weekend. Since we're turning things upside down and folks around here can't resist a good cliché, it's the Aussie's turn for announcement duty.

Since Weasyl went public, there has been one issue above all that we’ve heard needs to be addressed: thumbnail images. “Why are they square? Why are they so small? How are we meant to get a reasonable preview from this tiny space?” Our response, broadly, has been “We’re aware. We’re sorry. We want to make it better.” You’ve been extremely patient with us, and we can’t be thankful enough for that.

Within the next 48 hours, we will be switching Weasyl over to a new thumbnail scheme. It will better display the full content of submissions while making full use of the space in your browser, and offer a good experience for both mobile and desktop users. Check out the following previews:

https://cdn.weasyl.com/static/media/47/5b/1a/475b1a23fc13d94d4f873d2d989228a450dd294eee94ba9aee 88965dfc6729b2.png
https://cdn.weasyl.com/static/media/c3/e5/6c/c3e56c435c22837b1b949860c0c38e627251b70f7741c75baf 078924018a23b6.png
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All existing visual submissions will have their thumbnails converted to full-preview thumbnails that are generated automatically. You won’t have to do anything or change how you use the site.

We also know that some of you have already put effort into creating custom thumbnails for your works, and repeating that work for all your submissions would be tedious. Don’t worry: Your thumbnails have not been lost. We've made a tool that will permit you to restore your old thumbnails for some or all of your submissions. Expect a link and details on how to use it at launch.

We’re excited to take this step forward. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please let us know!

Artwork by Fiz (https://www.weasyl.com/~fiz).

RedSavage
07-05-2015, 08:11 PM
Hot damn y'all do good work.

Swanda
07-05-2015, 08:20 PM
Oh yes, Finally Aaaaaaaaaaarrrh, too much joy for wording right now

drake
07-05-2015, 08:27 PM
..PLEASE tell me that there'll be an option to keep the thumbnails aligned in a proper grid.

RedSavage
07-05-2015, 08:30 PM
..PLEASE tell me that there'll be an option to keep the thumbnails aligned in a proper grid.

......


Well you can't please everybody all the time, I suppose.

Kimura
07-05-2015, 08:33 PM
This is great, the thumbnails were my only issue with this website. Keep up the good work.

DemonfangArun
07-05-2015, 08:37 PM
i have to agree with drake, i like having organized thumbnails. don't get me wrong, i like the dynamic thumbnails, but for certain tasks it's best to have square ones. regretfully i probably will leave weasyl if there's no option to have grid thumbnails.

Banderi
07-05-2015, 08:42 PM
It would be stupidly amazing if there was an option to keep this feature enabled or disabled at will, or even set it differently for different parts of the website! For example, I myself would find this an amazing mechanic for browsing, but I also think the classic thumbnails work just perfect for gallery previews (as in, when in the user's homepage). :D

Sparkyopteryx
07-05-2015, 08:48 PM
While I can agree that getting as clean a look as possible is crucial, since full thumbnails are not going to be of a uniform dimension anymore (judging by the previews at least), there's only so much of a perfect grid you can get. Although with custom thumbnails I can see that happening, providing their size is the same.

I for one am overjoyed to hear this! A good thumbnail reworking at last. I know multiple artists that said literally the only thing that kept them from using Weasyl more was the limiting thumbnail dimensions so I'm hoping this helps usability for some.

Socks the Fox
07-05-2015, 08:50 PM
I agree, I love it for browsing, but for the submission notification screen the regularity of the grid makes it so much easier to go through and select the specific images.

KajTaotsu
07-05-2015, 08:53 PM
i have to agree with drake, i like having organized thumbnails. don't get me wrong, i like the dynamic thumbnails, but for certain tasks it's best to have square ones. regretfully i probably will leave weasyl if there's no option to have grid thumbnails.

If its for dealing with custom thumbnails, they are going to have a tool to re-apply those so you'd still have the old squares instead of the dynamic display. I could see an option to showing either the square or dynamic being a possibility, but that's more for the devs to answer about instead of just a user like me ^^;

Banderi
07-05-2015, 08:53 PM
I agree, I love it for browsing, but for the submission notification screen the regularity of the grid makes it so much easier to go through and select the specific images.

This one. This would be the purely perfect combination I think.
Of course, we're talking about Weasyl here, not YouTube or FA. It probably will already be like this by default, and if not the devs will no doubt fix or keep feature as they see it'd be fit for the most user-friendly possible look.

KajTaotsu
07-05-2015, 08:58 PM
I could see the combo working, but it could also cause issues since the submission creator would still end up having to crop images and the main point many people have against the squares would still be relevant. Only way I see the grid style working was if it was set up like how other art sites do it.

Banderi
07-05-2015, 09:13 PM
Hm, you have a point. I remember DeviantART let you choose on the fly whether to display submissions as thumbnails or text based notifications, maybe you could do it like that and have the automatic crop for people who just like the uniform look.

RedSavage
07-05-2015, 09:15 PM
i have to agree with drake, i like having organized thumbnails. don't get me wrong, i like the dynamic thumbnails, but for certain tasks it's best to have square ones. regretfully i probably will leave weasyl if there's no option to have grid thumbnails.

People will leave a site for any dern reason these days.

drake
07-05-2015, 09:18 PM
i have to agree with drake, i like having organized thumbnails. don't get me wrong, i like the dynamic thumbnails, but for certain tasks it's best to have square ones. regretfully i probably will leave weasyl if there's no option to have grid thumbnails.

To clarify: I don't want square thumbnails. They're dumb as hell. I want arbitrary aspect ratio thumbnails, but smushing them all together in a continuous blob makes it hard to scan IMO. I just want them to be put in a regular grid, like... every other art gallery site ever.

BlueJaySF
07-05-2015, 09:23 PM
I suppose it's a good thing I never got around to uploading very much of what I have published elsewhere. The pre-existing thumbnail device had better work wonders, because I'd hate to waste my time modifying what's already there.

Lagos
07-05-2015, 09:23 PM
To clarify: I don't want square thumbnails. They're dumb as hell. I want arbitrary aspect ratio thumbnails, but smushing them all together in a continuous blob makes it hard to scan IMO. I just want them to be put in a regular grid, like... every other art gallery site ever.

At this time there's no way to keep the thumbnails in a grid. They're organized into rows of uniform height, but within a row the widths may vary. Try it out for a while when it launches; I was skeptical myself at first as well, but it really does create an effect similar to reading a book left to right, and I got used to it. It also uses space more efficiently than a grid, which is important for large, non-uniform thumbnails.

If you still aren't satisfied with it, we'd value that feedback. At this point in time, there are no plans for supporting two different layouts. However, the observation about a grid for notifications is an interesting one, and if people do find the new layout problematic for notifications, we may look into creating a look there that works better there. In that case still, we'd probably only support one layout in each place, i.e. a grid for notifications (and perhaps some other areas of the site) and the uniform-height-variable-width rows everywhere else.

Handling the transition and any hiccups will probably occupy us for a while at first, of course.

Uluri
07-05-2015, 09:30 PM
Awesomeness. Glad to see Thumbnails will now show the full image.

PlayPossum
07-05-2015, 09:34 PM
Thanks, Weasyl!

I'm also in favor of a grid display if possible, but the fact we're moving from square thumbs is already an improvement in my book.

To people requesting square thumbnails for browsing the inbox, this would be sorted out by having a consistent grid; instead of keeping 2 thumb systems, you just change how they fill the screen.
I suggest the UI crew study deviantART's current system - they did the same "organic grid" in the past and put a regular alignment toggle option later on.

Just one question: what happens with way too wide or way too tall images? Let's say an aspect ratio of 20:1 or 1:20. I'm afraid wide images might break stuff and tall images will go unnoticed as a thin line between pictures.

Lagos
07-05-2015, 09:35 PM
Awesomeness. Glad to see Thumbnails will now show the full image.

For the most part: We limit the thumbnails to be twice as wide as they are tall or twice as tall as they are wide. This will accommodate most visual submissions just fine. Very wide images (like panoramas) will be cropped equally from both sides towards the center, so the middle is shown. Very tall images, like vertical comics, are cropped from the bottom up only, so that the top is shown (which is probably what people want since these images are usually read top down).

EDIT: PlayPossum, does that answer your question?

PlayPossum
07-05-2015, 09:49 PM
Absolutely, Lagos. Thanks. :)

Bornes
07-05-2015, 09:53 PM
Everything looks awesome so far but I just want to put here for posterity that I would also really like an organized grid as the others already suggested.

skrimp
07-05-2015, 09:58 PM
I have been reading the forums a lot since I signed up and I'm aware of the populous that wants full previews, but since I haven't been around long enough to form an opinion about squared thumbnails, I'll just cheer on the Weasyl Team in their ability to give the people what they want, which is no doubt hard work - Go Weasyl Team!

Hendikins
07-05-2015, 10:00 PM
Since folks have brought up the subject of submission notifications, here's how they look on my Android tablet using the new thumbs:

https://bach.weasyl.com/static/media/c4/7e/ae/c47eaeedf1f1a397fdab0fe6fc9785d63ec7aab07af53ae4ab 5a2a2df7544096.png

Firehazard
07-05-2015, 10:10 PM
This is certainly a more progressive initiative than what I was expecting; it looks more or less like what DeviantArt has been planning to implement, with the minimal spaces in between and such. I approve, mostly. But I have a couple suggestions:

One, I'd like a user option to disable any custom thumbnails that are left when this goes into effect. Knowing this site's userbase, there are going to be a lot of them, and it kind of defeats the purpose of switching to this system (though being able to generate custom thumbs that are non-square will probably at least help them look less crap). Frankly, people who choose to use custom thumbnails for visual art when it's purely optional are probably the people I'd trust the least to use them properly and tastefully — not unlike people who used to install custom themes on MySpace. I remember back when FurAffinity upscaled their thumbnails, dropping the custom thumbs that were already there in the process, and thinking "I sure ain't complainin'." Too often I would see artists use them as a way to shamelessly inflate hits by making people have to click just to see what the picture actually is; ironically, in practice it tends to have the opposite effect because all you see is a sea of zoomed-in faces. The other excuse, that certain types of content should be labeled lest people be forced to see non-vanilla porn — or even a certain type of vanilla porn — without choosing to click, is negated by our mandatory tagging rule and user filters.

Two, what's going to happen for things like comic strips that are way wider than they are long or vice versa? DeviantArt clamps their thumbnails to be a maximum of something like 3:1/1:3 and zooms in on the center; with our built in thumbnail-cropping tool, it would be easy to require people who upload such images to tweak the "normal" thumbnail in case they want to focus on a particular set of panels (maybe customize it so that they can only shrink or expand the zoom on the shorter dimension — e.g. they could crop to a single panel but not zoom in on it).

Antosaurous
07-05-2015, 10:21 PM
Does keeping custom thumbnails only pertain to those that have been physically uploaded?

Lagos
07-05-2015, 10:27 PM
Some replies to you, Firehazard:

On the subject of disabling custom thumbnails, we won't have this as an option at launch, but we've designed the backend schema in such a way that we'll be able to implement it in the future. It was one of the design goals. No timeline on this, however. Where do you think it would make sense to enable/disable this? User settings?

The only really tricky thing about 'disable custom thumbnails' is the design decision around non-visual submissions: For a visual submission the notion of a generated thumbnail is straightforward: It's just a thumbnail built out of the submission itself. But what's the 'default thumbnail' for a multimedia embedded YouTube video with a cover and a thumbnail? Is it the thumbnail itself? Is it a generated thumbnail from the cover image? Is it the preview image YouTube provides? What makes sense as an answer for this is going to vary from person to person and submission to submission. My personal intuition right now is that 'no custom thumbnails' should be an option that only applies to visual submissions.

On the notion of using custom thumbnails tastefully, I understand your concerns. Right now I'm not sure what this is going to do to view counts, so it's just speculation to see what emergent behaviors arise; I'm not familiar with what happened when FA dropped their custom thumbs. At the same time, it's ultimately up to the artist to decide what their thumbnails should be (within the code of conduct and ratings guidelines) and some of them have put in a lot of time: In particular, a lot of artists have put in a lot of time crafting custom thumbnails that label triggering content. This was one of the primary motivations around providing an 'opt-out tool' at launch to let people restore their old thumbnails.

For what we do about very wide tall or wide submissions, read my post above. What I'll add here is that we've modified the image select tool on the weasyl site to enforce an aspect ratio between 2:1 and 1:2 so it should be easy to create a thumbnail that fits into the dimensions without surprises.

Gamedog
07-05-2015, 10:27 PM
Looks rad, I like it.
My question is: will these images take longer to load than usual while on mobile?

Lagos
07-05-2015, 10:27 PM
Does keeping custom thumbnails only pertain to those that have been physically uploaded?

No: Any non-default thumbnail which was previously in use should be available for restoration.

Stakie
07-05-2015, 10:37 PM
Very happy for an update. However, I am not as fond off what it seems to look like. Will there be an option to keep the old look?

=3

Axikita
07-05-2015, 10:42 PM
Just wanted to say, super excited to see this getting implemented! I've been really frustrated browsing the site with the old thumbail system, and I'm really hoping this will bring in more browsing traffic. Props to the site staff for listening to the community and putting in the work to make the change.

I also second what Firehazard was saying, I'd really like to see an option to globally disable all custom thumbnails. I'm glad to hear this is in the pipeline. Lagos, in response to your comments on the matter, I'd expect to find the option under Settings > Site Preferences. I'd also agree that it should only apply to visual submissions, and the custom thumbnails for text/ video submissions should be kept.

Lorien077
07-05-2015, 10:43 PM
I like the new look. Normally I prefer a uniform grid but I'm perfectly pleased with the upgrade to this system over the square thumbs.

Just a quick question; I've been having an issue with thumbnails in that rather graphic little squares appear in my inbox, featuring content I would not normally chose to view. Is there a way around that? If not could at some point in the future there be an option to not see the thumbnails of works of certain ratings? (Or is there one and I missed it?)

Lagos
07-05-2015, 10:45 PM
Very happy for an update. However, I am not as fond off what it seems to look like. Will there be an option to keep the old look?

Hi, Stakie. At this time, there are no plans to continue supporting the old look and that won't be an option at launch. I think most people will like the new look (at least the old thumbnails have been our #1 user complaint and we ourselves think the new thumbs look great), but obviously not everyone is going to like it. Unfortunately, I don't think we have the resources to support two looks at once well right now.

Please give it a try for a few days when it launches. If there are still things you dislike after using it for a while, we'd be happy to receive feedback: After all, this entire thumbnail-revamp was motivated by user complaints.

Banderi
07-05-2015, 10:47 PM
Please give it a try for a few days when it launches. If there are still things you dislike after using it for a while, we'd be happy to receive feedback: After all, this entire thumbnail-revamp was motivated by user complaints.

Please stop. You're making my faith in humanity restore too much!

Lagos
07-05-2015, 10:58 PM
Just a quick question; I've been having an issue with thumbnails in that rather graphic little squares appear in my inbox, featuring content I would not normally chose to view. Is there a way around that? If not could at some point in the future there be an option to not see the thumbnails of works of certain ratings? (Or is there one and I missed it?)

Hello, Lorien. You can set the maximum level of content viewable on the site under Settings > Site Preferences. Now that being said, notifications have had a few bugs in the past due to all the cases where a submission changes its rating, becomes friends only, two people stop being friends, etc. so it's worked less well there than it has in other places--we fix the bugs as we find them. I assume that you're talking about seeing thumbnails in your notifications that are above the maximum rating you've set for the site?

We actually pushed another fix around notifications and ratings earlier this week in fact. If that fixes the problem and these thumbnails stop showing up, great. On the other hand, if you continue to see a notification for something that's above your current maximum rating, it's a bug and you should open a topic in the weasyl support forum. We'll want to know your account name, the maximum rating you have, etc.

Firehazard
07-05-2015, 11:37 PM
The only really tricky thing about 'disable custom thumbnails' is the design decision around non-visual submissions: For a visual submission the notion of a generated thumbnail is straightforward: It's just a thumbnail built out of the submission itself. But what's the 'default thumbnail' for a multimedia embedded YouTube video with a cover and a thumbnail? Is it the thumbnail itself? Is it a generated thumbnail from the cover image? Is it the preview image YouTube provides? What makes sense as an answer for this is going to vary from person to person and submission to submission. My personal intuition right now is that 'no custom thumbnails' should be an option that only applies to visual submissions.
I did mean just visual art. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Unless anyone has any bright ideas of how to produce automatic thumbnails for other things, of course.


In particular, a lot of artists have put in a lot of time crafting custom thumbnails that label triggering content. This was one of the primary motivations around providing an 'opt-out tool' at launch to let people restore their old thumbnails.
You might have missed my edit — the mandatory tagging rule and blacklist kind of probably makes "warning" thumbnails unnecessary. And if it doesn't, then users who have triggers shouldn't have to be reliant on people making such thumbnails voluntarily, either. But I don't know how you'd work around that.

Noxid
07-05-2015, 11:47 PM
Yeah the thumbnails are probably unnecessary, but that doesn't mean people won't still cling to them :P
anyway
new thumbs sounds alright, I never really had a problem with the old ones but I doubt I'll have a problem with the new ones either.

Sparra
07-06-2015, 12:44 AM
As long as people won't be able to make thumbnails that totally hide/misrepresent what the image actually contains (for example, just seeing a face in the thumbnail of a super-adult fetish image) I will be happy.

Hendikins
07-06-2015, 12:50 AM
As long as people won't be able to make thumbnails that totally hide/misrepresent what the image actually contains (for example, just seeing a face in the thumbnail of a super-adult fetish image) I will be happy.

We're not removing the ability to crop thumbnails or upload custom thumbnails. I would expect this to greatly reduce the amount of use the crop tool gets, however.

Sparra
07-06-2015, 01:02 AM
We're not removing the ability to crop thumbnails or upload custom thumbnails. I would expect this to greatly reduce the amount of use the crop tool gets, however.

Here's hoping. Misleading thumbnails is pretty much the reason myself and a number of people I know are kinda hesitant about Weasyl.

Nothing's more annoying than getting an inbox of faces and each have their own different rating, and the name of the image doesn't really imply the exact content.

Noxid
07-06-2015, 01:12 AM
there's always my hover-preview browser extension ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sereverus
07-06-2015, 01:22 AM
oooo i like the changes very neat and useful, good job you've done good work!

batbot
07-06-2015, 03:18 AM
*shrug* sounds good!
TBH i like cropping my little thumbnails, but also i like the "flow" of the new previews...and I couldn't muster to care about any thumbnail scheme....except egg.

egg was great.

Also I agree about the fake-outs and squick-factor thumbnails: a combination of rating, tagging, and filtering by both the uploader and the viewer should negate the need for them.

I think if there was a way to have writing uploads provide an excerpt or synopsis that would be really cool. But Also it's an inherent difficulty of uploading writing to galleries primarily targeted at images. Even a site like tumblr which is supposed to "do" both text and image, can't sustain longer text posts...Wordpress/Blogger/*Journal still are better formats because they are totally about text uploads. (huh: idea, if browsing written work or journals was in a different, but complementary UI...but that might be needlessly complicated and may "other" those kinds of submissions more.)
(idk i don't upload any writing or even read a lot on the site; maybe because I'm more comfortable doing it on Journal/Blog sites than "Gallery" sites)

raptorarts
07-06-2015, 03:37 AM
FINALLY!! I got so tired of people making their thumbnails a zoomed in view of a face when theres so much more to be seen. Thank you for doing this!!!!!

Firehazard
07-06-2015, 03:44 AM
To be fair, it is physically impossible to provide as much information about any other format of media in a thumbnail-sized space as a thumbnail can provide about an image. I suppose, in a way, the poor thumbnails we currently have are evening the playing field somewhat. :P But that would only be worth something if we were the only game in town.

So long as this is being worked on, I do have one other idea. FurAffinity lets you click on the corner of a thumbnail to get the author's description. I like that. Could we maybe do something like that, but... well, Weasylier? Like, remember how the titles used to be overlays that would slide in when you moused over the thumbnail? Maybe recycle that code for pop-up descriptions. Now that thumbnails will mostly be big enough to fit all that in.

Ois
07-06-2015, 03:53 AM
While I appreciate the effort made, Weasyl is certainly the most slick looking of art galleries I visit, this type of thumbnail usage I find difficult to browse and keep place when scrolling. Tend to jump right into a Stylish plugin and see if there is alternatives for sites I use that do this over set/square ratio thumbnails.

I'll still try it out, but past history use with this type of thumbnail layout has just made me cringe. But I know I'm also from the group who likes text based links over thumbnails anyway so I can't complain that much! :)

piñardilla
07-06-2015, 05:29 AM
To be fair, it is physically impossible to provide as much information about any other format of media in a thumbnail-sized space as a thumbnail can provide about an image. I suppose, in a way, the poor thumbnails we currently have are evening the playing field somewhat. :P But that would only be worth something if we were the only game in town.

So long as this is being worked on, I do have one other idea. FurAffinity lets you click on the corner of a thumbnail to get the author's description. I like that. Could we maybe do something like that, but... well, Weasylier? Like, remember how the titles used to be overlays that would slide in when you moused over the thumbnail? Maybe recycle that code for pop-up descriptions. Now that thumbnails will mostly be big enough to fit all that in.

One of the devteam's design goals is that Weasyl work just as well on mobile devices as desktop computers without them being two separate projects, and anything "mouseover" flies in the face of that, since mobile interfaces don't use pointing devices. We do have an open API so that users can create third-party extensions that enhance Weasyl's functionality on their platform of choice. Noxid's Weasyl Enhancer (https://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?6690-Weasyl-Enhancer-extension) extension mentioned a few posts up seems like exactly what you're looking for.

Kaida
07-06-2015, 06:17 AM
Interesting. Honestly since joining I've been perfectly happy with the current thumbnails system. It's already far better than DeviantArt who has been at this for years. I really appreciate the option to create the thumbnail from the image itself. It saves me a lot of time and effort making a whole new one or cropping it myself in an art program.

I'm interested to see how this new thumbnail system works out. Thanks for all the effort devs. :3

PlayPossum
07-06-2015, 08:02 AM
On the Multimedia discussion, I can add some food for thought:

First, by reviving a suggestion I've made some time ago on indicating media type through an icon (https://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?1003-Common-Suggestions-List&p=41313&viewfull=1#post41313).

Next, about the thumbnails themselves:

- Text
If no custom thumb is given, make it a square block of text using the beginning of the text (like deviantART);
If the user wants to insert an excerpt instead of a custom thumbnail, that could be possible as well, like magazines do to catch your eyes even if you don't read the whole thing;
The latter could be abused with unrelated words being used, though, so maybe a check for the excerpt in the body of the full text would be required.

- Music
If no custom thumb is given, check metadata for embeded cover art (I'm pretty sure this one is easy);
If nothing is found, use a default music thumbnail (like a Weasel with headphones or something);

- External websites (YouTube, SoundCloud etc.)
If no custom thumbnail is given, use the website's thumbnail (YT) or cover art (SC), for example.

- SWF
Tough one. Out of ideas. Maybe, as suggested in music, have some default thumbnail related to SWFs.

On a final note, I know Soundcloud will use the user's avatar by default if the user doesn't provide specific cover art for a track, so maybe doing this as a last resort could be an option.

__________

And another question that came to mind: it's been said custom thumbs will have the 2:1~1:2 aspect ratio limit, but will this be free reign to the user? Like having a wide image, but making a tall thumbnail? I find this confusing, and the thumb having the same ratio of the full piece would make more sense. But, on the other hand, there are a couple of submissions of my own that would benefit from this flexibility.
Example:
(Moderate) https://www.weasyl.com/submission/939144/redline-miami-2-wrong-number
This group shot is taller than it's wide, but a good thumbnail for it could be a wide framing of their busts.

Hendikins
07-06-2015, 08:08 AM
And another question that came to mind: it's been said custom thumbs will have the 2:1~1:2 aspect ratio limit, but will this be free reign to the user? Like having a wide image, but making a tall thumbnail?

The thumbnail can be of any aspect ratio (within the limits), regardless of the aspect ratio of the submitted piece.

Heuvadoches
07-06-2015, 08:37 AM
Do not want.

Prefer consistent, grid style, uniform thumbs.

Please ensure there's an option to NOT use this new, horrible, disorganized option.

Firehazard
07-06-2015, 11:00 AM
One of the devteam's design goals is that Weasyl work just as well on mobile devices as desktop computers without them being two separate projects, and anything "mouseover" flies in the face of that, since mobile interfaces don't use pointing devices. We do have an open API so that users can create third-party extensions that enhance Weasyl's functionality on their platform of choice. Noxid's Weasyl Enhancer (https://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?6690-Weasyl-Enhancer-extension) extension mentioned a few posts up seems like exactly what you're looking for.
Would making tap and hold also bring up the overlay count as "treating mobile as a separate project"?

skylerbunny
07-06-2015, 11:17 AM
I did mean just visual art. ...


Hi there, Firehazard.

I know that this isn't directly related to the topic at hand, but I did want to bring to your attention another change made about a week back that you'd asked to have addressed, which was 'Many pages having a title of 'Weasyl''.

We identified several places where a more descriptive HTML title could be put in place, and have done so. If you'd like to take a look around, please see if you find the additions more to your liking, and if history is more navigable now. Thanks!

Lagos
07-06-2015, 12:52 PM
Hi, PlayPossum. I think Hendikins clarified the ratio issue (i.e. you can crop what you want from the image as long as the final thumbnail has a max ratio between 2:1 and 1:2).

On the notion of distinguishing between different submission types, the new thumbnails will distinguish between music and non-music submissions based on subtype, but that's it right now. We could detect shockwave easily but I don't know what an icon for that should look like. Some embedded links, such as YouTube, provide us with thumbnails that we use if none is provided.

For things like generating text previews or looking into mp3s, it's good ideas and doable (although do our users utilize the cover art tags in their mp3s? I honestly don't know), but it requires supporting another library in the code base. So I can't say when that will be done or if it even will at all. If text previews are something a lot of people want, though, and they request them, we'll certainly look into it.

Thanks.

EDIT: Ah. I see that in your other screenshot, type of a multimedia submission is indicated with a tiny corner icon. Interesting.

Storm
07-06-2015, 01:46 PM
First of all, BIG THANK YOU!

It wasn't that big issue for me personally but if this kept many people away from Weasyl, then I'm happy it's fixed! :)



..PLEASE tell me that there'll be an option to keep the thumbnails aligned in a proper grid.

If they use proper CSS, then it will take less than a minute to write a user Style you can use with the Stylish addon for any major browser, and have them gridded for you.

BUT... the beats the whole purpose, IMO.

Remember, there was lost of discussion on how to properly address this, since some pics are very wide, or tall, etc. and forcing them into equal size boxes would make those very tiny. This was the main issue with properly sized thumbnails, that was brought up. This fluid design is the solution for that!

Still... once it's out I can whip up a User Style and give instructions on how to use it, for those who want grid boxes...

P.s.: I got OCPD, lack of organization drives me nuts, and yet, I will rather use the fluid design because it is simply much more efficient.

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horrible, disorganized option.
That's like calling bananas horrible, tasteless things, just because you personally don't like them.

I got OCPD and I prefer the new fluid one...

What's the point of an organized grid if you can'§t see sh*t from the actual pics?

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If not could at some point in the future there be an option to not see the thumbnails of works of certain ratings? (Or is there one and I missed it?)
Most likely will be easily doable via a local CSS, like as what I suggested for restoring grid for those who want that.

piñardilla
07-06-2015, 02:35 PM
Would making tap and hold also bring up the overlay count as "treating mobile as a separate project"?

My understanding is that if it requires detection of what sort of device Weasyl is being viewed with to determine the appropriate UI behavior, it's a no-go. Reading would be difficult with a finger in the way anyways.

Try out that browser extension. I use it myself, it's pretty nifty.

Firehazard
07-06-2015, 04:26 PM
Hi there, Firehazard.

I know that this isn't directly related to the topic at hand, but I did want to bring to your attention another change made about a week back that you'd asked to have addressed, which was 'Many pages having a title of 'Weasyl''.

We identified several places where a more descriptive HTML title could be put in place, and have done so. If you'd like to take a look around, please see if you find the additions more to your liking, and if history is more navigable now. Thanks!
It's an improvement, yeah. Adding "Home" to the home page might have actually been overkill, at least once all the other pages with titles of just "Weasyl" had been dealt with. And they haven't; the notifications pages as well as staff posts (like the one that directed me to this thread) are still generic. Everything else seems to be fixed.

rwpikul
07-06-2015, 09:20 PM
I'd like to add my voice to those who would like a fixed grid with variable whitespace to be an option. While this kind of layout is nice for simply looking at a bunch of images and possibly picking a couple out, I have long found it sucks when it comes to going through them all.

piñardilla
07-06-2015, 10:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

Ibuuyk
07-06-2015, 10:54 PM
Dunno if it's because the new update brought a big influx of users, but the site has been extremely slow since it was pushed.

Tiger
07-06-2015, 10:57 PM
We at Weasyl are proud to announce the launch of the new redesigned thumbnails! The development team has been hard at work on Weasyl’s systems to allow for a better experience on both desktop and mobile devices. The larger thumbnails will better represent submissions throughout the site.

As we mentioned in our previous news post, all submissions with square thumbnails have now been converted to new larger ones, where possible. If you still want to use your old thumbnails, don’t worry! They have not been lost. A tool to restore your old thumbnails for individual submissions (https://www.weasyl.com/submit/thumbnail-select) is available in your Weasyl settings.

While we’ve tested the new look internally, this change represents a significant restructuring of Weasyl’s codebase, and we never assume that we’ve caught everything. If you encounter bugs or unexpected behavior, please post your issue in our feedback and questions thread.

The developers have made some other upgrades to the site as well. You can now:

-Press and hold “Shift” while creating custom thumbnails to keep them square
-Press “F” to favorite a submission and “C” to comment on it, in addition to the existing folder navigation using the left and right arrow keys
-Preview earlier and later submissions in a folder from directly beneath the current submission

With the upgrade to Weasyl’s look, we’re updating our browser standards. Some features may look different in older browsers, such as IE9 and below, and Android versions 2.x and earlier. Apologies for this! If you have issues browsing, you may wish to upgrade your browser or consider another way to connect with us.

We’re glad to finally share this change with you, and look forward to the next!

FurryWurry
07-06-2015, 11:18 PM
I have (or rather I had) custom thumbnails for 13 recent story postings. When I looked at them just now, the most recent three thumbnails had been converted to large icons which were all the same image (one containing the letters A and a). The other ten thumbnails had not (yet) been converted. See https://www.weasyl.com/~furrywurry

a) (Un)fortunately the statement that all thumbnails have been converted is incorrect.

b) I got a "gateway timeout" error page when attempting to access the information about how to restore the previous icons. I suspect that this timeout and the lag that people are reporting might be related to the conversion process still running and beating heavily on the database, while at the same time people are trying to restore their previous icons.

Edited to add:
I've switched back to my original icons. The conversion tool showed that four icons had been changed.

UndyingSong
07-06-2015, 11:23 PM
This new appearance with the thumbnails creates a bias towards images of the "landscape" variety while pushing portrait-shaped pictures into the background by automatically making them smaller.. So people are less likely to click and look.

Sparra
07-06-2015, 11:27 PM
Here's hoping we don't have the previous issue of everyone just making a thumbnail of some small portion of the image and/or just the face which doesn't represent the whole image! :D

rbartrop
07-06-2015, 11:52 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lry6qrMMPb1r2v6tdo1_500.gif

Firehazard
07-07-2015, 12:00 AM
The developers have made some other upgrades to the site as well. You can now:

-Press and hold “Shift” while creating custom thumbnails to keep them square
-Press “F” to favorite a submission and “C” to comment on it, in addition to the existing folder navigation using the left and right arrow keys
So what was that about not adding features that aren't available on mobile? Because the last time I checked, most mobile devices didn't have physical keyboards. :P

Unimpressive
07-07-2015, 12:13 AM
I'm not sure squashing the thumbnails together is the best choice of layout. Aligning thumbnails to a grid like they were before or giving more portrait-oriented images wider side margins to offset them might help with the problem UndyingSong mentioned and give the layout a bit more breathing room in general. A cleaner layout would also help Weasyl look more like the art gallery it is - this layout looks more like a photo-sharing site like Pinterest, or a Google image search. It looks very busy and cramped and chaotic, like pictures were just dumped all over the screen wherever they would fit, not cared for and curated. The thumbnails also just seem uncomfortably large to me, but I'm guessing larger thumbnails were a common request to show more detailed previews.

This is definitely a functional improvement, and one that most everyone seems to want, so I suppose I'll adapt. I'll try catching up a bit on my ridiculous backlog and see if it grows on me. Regardless of my personal preferences, it's always great to see the site growing and changing.

skrimp
07-07-2015, 12:20 AM
I don't even know if it's possible, but for those that liked the grid and still want full previews/thumbnails perhaps Weasyl Team could try something like This (http://copycat-theme.tumblr.com/) in the future - because compromise.

Lagos
07-07-2015, 12:34 AM
I have (or rather I had) custom thumbnails for 13 recent story postings. When I looked at them just now, the most recent three thumbnails had been converted to large icons which were all the same image (one containing the letters A and a). The other ten thumbnails had not (yet) been converted. See https://www.weasyl.com/~furrywurry

a) (Un)fortunately the statement that all thumbnails have been converted is incorrect.

Hi, FurryWurry. Thanks for the feedback.

You are correct. Unfortunately, in the case of literary or multimedia submissions it isn't always possible to generate a new thumbnail: Unlike visual submissions there isn't a clear image to work from for this--cover is not always the right answer, for example. This is why we said 'All existing visual submissions will have their thumbnails converted to full-preview thumbnails that are generated automatically' (emphasis added). Not trying to be pedantic about it: We could have probably drawn out this distinction with more clarity.

Where possible, we've pre-emptively copied over the old thumbnails for literary and multimedia submissions to new ones, so that literary submissions wouldn't suddenly all be without thumbnails at the switch over. However, there was a window wherein new literary/multimedia submissions would not receive this treatment automatically. Fortunately, we designed the restore tool to be able to set them back, as you did if I'm reading you correctly. If anyone can't find their old thumbnails with the restore tool, that's a bug and you should report it.


b) I got a "gateway timeout" error page when attempting to access the information about how to restore the previous icons. I suspect that this timeout and the lag that people are reporting might be related to the conversion process still running and beating heavily on the database, while at the same time people are trying to restore their previous icons.

Spoilers: The conversion process finished weeks ago and we've just been sneakily creating new thumbnails in the background for visual submissions ever since. =:) But you're right about the rest of it: I suspect the database is busy. If people keep experiencing lag here, please let us know!

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I don't even know if it's possible, but for those that liked the grid and still want full previews/thumbnails perhaps Weasyl Team could try something like This (http://copycat-theme.tumblr.com/) in the future - because compromise.

Hello, Skrimp. Thanks for the suggestion.

We actually did investigate a fluid-column layout while experimenting. It scrolls well, especially on mobile. However, we chose to go for fluid rows: They are intuitive to scan, similar to reading for the majority of our users. Because Weasyl sorts most thing by time, it's important that the layout be easy to follow in a chronological order, and we found that rows were much clearer for that.

We'll keep it in mind. But at this time, I think we're still recovering from one drastic layout overhaul and are going to let things settle a bit before considering another one. =:)

SemperFelesRubrum
07-07-2015, 01:21 AM
Hey guys! Love the new update. New size thumbnails are great. I was wondering if it was possible to have an option size them all down uniformly? Like "zooming out"? I really loved seeing lots of submissions simultaneously.

I really love weasyl, it's my favorite art site! Thanks so much for creating such a user friendly site with such a wondreful community.

Socks the Fox
07-07-2015, 01:31 AM
I think they seem a bit... big X3

I think having the height at 200px (at least on a 1080p monitor) is the sweet spot between too big (reducing the number of submissions visible at one time, knocking some off the front page early) and too small (making it difficult to tell what a submission is about).

Aden
07-07-2015, 01:34 AM
Hey guys! Love the new update. New size thumbnails are great. I was wondering if it was possible to have an option size them all down uniformly? Like "zooming out"? I really loved seeing lots of submissions simultaneously.

We'll definitely keep this idea in mind — one of our biggest points of feedback was that people really wanted a great impression of what was behind the thumbnail, but there's definitely a case for people that would rather see more thumbs instead of more thumb. Thanks for the feedback!

piñardilla
07-07-2015, 03:15 AM
Also worth pointing out that most browsers have a zoom function. Holding CTRL and pressing -, =, or scrolling the mouse wheel are the most common shortcuts for it. Given the variety of screen sizes and resolutions out there, it's difficult to hit on a one-size-fits-all solution.

Gamedog
07-07-2015, 04:25 AM
https://www.weasyl.com/search?find=char

The only issue I'm having with this is that most character subs with 100x100 icons get spaced really far apart. I don't know if they need to just update the icons to be 200x200 or what, but yeah.
The issue is the same with journals, IIRC

s_p
07-07-2015, 04:27 AM
I found how to change my own submission thumbnails back to the original size thanks to the link, but how do I change the thumbnails in my watchlist back to the original smaller size?

Lagos
07-07-2015, 04:50 AM
The only issue I'm having with this is that most character subs with 100x100 icons get spaced really far apart. I don't know if they need to just update the icons to be 200x200 or what, but yeah.
The issue is the same with journals, IIRC

Hello, Gamedog.

The way we represent characters and their thumbnails are a bit problematic: We couldn't generate new thumbnails for them and we can't pre-calculate their widths the way we can with other content, so they're always represented in squares. The smaller icons are the historical ones from before the change over. Newer characters will benefit from the larger thumbnails: You'll see that the newer ones are larger--but they're still constrained inside squares. Well, the good news is here at least people who prefer a grid will get a chance to see what they want and test it out. We do have a plan to bring characters more in line with the rest of our content but I can't provide a time estimate.

On the journal front, these are based on avatars, which are still small. We may need to look into a different layout there.

Thanks for the feedback.

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I found how to change my own submission thumbnails back to the original size thanks to the link, but how do I change the thumbnails in my watchlist back to the original smaller size?

Hello, s_p.

If I understand your question correctly, you're asking about the size of thumbnail images in your notifications. Is that right? Those are under control of the submission owners and only they can restore the original thumbnails. Any new submissions will also only have the larger thumbnails. At this point in time, we don't have plans to support the old geometry. If that's disappointing, feel free to leave feedback in this thread.

Hendikins
07-07-2015, 04:58 AM
I found how to change my own submission thumbnails back to the original size thanks to the link, but how do I change the thumbnails in my watchlist back to the original smaller size?

You can only change the thumbnails on your own submissions. Thumbnails on submissions owned by other users will be whatever that user has set.

xofrats
07-07-2015, 05:00 AM
While I like the new thumbnails, I agree with UndyingSong. I tend to noticed the landscape pictures first.

But luckily, so far, it seems likes there's more portrait thumbnails. So I wouldn't call it a problem yet.

s_p
07-07-2015, 05:17 AM
"Hello, s_p.

If I understand your question correctly, you're asking about the size of thumbnail images in your notifications. Is that right? Those are under control of the submission owners and only they can restore the original thumbnails. Any new submissions will also only have the larger thumbnails. At this point in time, we don't have plans to support the old geometry. If that's disappointing, feel free to leave feedback in this thread."



That is very disappointing as the new format is worse than the old one and in my view a huge step backward.
It wastes so much space and to be honest you seem to be shafting those of us with full sized screens for people that have smaller screens such as tablets and phones.

If I'm honest it puts me of viewing my notifications.
You really shouldn't make such changes unless the option is in place to keep the original settings, FA did that and it drove a lot away until in the end they were forced to make it adjustable in the settings.
I always gave weasyl more credit than FA, maybe I was wrong?



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"You can only change the thumbnails on your own submissions. Thumbnails on submissions owned by other users will be whatever that user has set."

That's a bit pointless, the thumbnails that matter most I can't change.
This so called upgrade wasn't thought out very well.

Wolfwaffe
07-07-2015, 08:37 AM
Mmmh, I liked the old one more.

While yes, it's nice to be able to see entire pic, the lack of uniformity and any grid makes thumbnails look like a mess. Just took a quick look through main page and got eyes strain >>

Tayruu
07-07-2015, 08:42 AM
I'm afraid I just can't agree with this non-grid format. It doesn't look organised, and it creates this visual bias towards certain pictures as some others have pointed out. I absolutely hated it on DA, and DA lets you change the setting back to something that makes sure everything is within the same square area. It looks vastly more organised.

I agree that the square thumbnails sometimes ran into problems. Automatically created ones would crop an image such that you couldn't see things properly. I've also seen user-created thumbnails were cropped on a non-focus area, such that viewing the full image resulted in a unwarranted surprise.

Even if this could solve both (although iirc we still have user thumbnails), it doesn't feel orderly. There's bias in landscape images, they're overly large, and the page feels cluttered and confusing to look at. The images should all be the same relative scale, within the same square area. There's no way to get the best of all possibilities - the old system cropped content, this one looks a mess, and the third option will create space around images.

And I don't even know how this deals with characters, music, or written works.

...

Secondly, putting the folder navigation between the piece and artist comments creates this large "gulf" between the two. It was fine at the bottom of the page, because that made it the last thing the user would likely see, as well as keeping it out of the way.

... thirdly, I am not fond of keyboard shortcuts being website variant. I have knocked arrow keys on a laptop I have before on a Tumblr theme, and wondered why the heck I was reloading pages - it was because the theme used them as page jumping. So keyboard shortcuts should be toggle-able too, and off by default.

Storm
07-07-2015, 09:10 AM
<rant>
CHEESUS FRIGGIN CHEETOS people, STOP CRYING!
</rant>

Now, for those who voiced constructive criticism - as opposed to annoying whining - sadly they can't satisfy everyone. Thumbs was a Number One complaint, and without this fluid view, several pictures - like those landscapes - would appear tiny, and you still wouldn't bee able to see anything, which would lead back to the old problem.

Those who want a Grid layout: Sorry, but you are a minority. Even me, who got OCPD, and feels a bit irritated by the pics not lining up in columns, I rather have this new layout because it's just so much more better - so I rather try to get over my irritation and learn to love it.

Still, I'll soon see if I can whip up a local CSS that you can just use with Stylish addon and have your grid.

Ois
07-07-2015, 09:17 AM
Been working on a grid system tonight if you're using Stylish: https://userstyles.org/styles/116050/weasyl-hip-squares-200x

While I've updated faults as I was told about them for a test audience, it is getting late for me and I'll have to recheck it tomorrow for anything that remains broken.

UndyingSong
07-07-2015, 09:40 AM
Also noticed that there is a lot of unnecessary empty space underneath the individual artworks, surrounding Older/Folder/Newer.

Tayruu
07-07-2015, 09:50 AM
I've just noticed this new system doesn't always have the mature/etc markers aligned perfectly to thumbnails. That's honestly more of a nitpick though.

This isn't about being irritated things don't line up, it's the fact it's actually hard on the eyes. It's not better. It's not good visual design. It's confusing and "noisy". That's the best way I can describe it - it's noisy in that it gives a lot of content at once that is difficult to scan over. The old system avoided this, which was an advantage.

The stylish link above is pretty much the idea I was talking about. It's not perfect though, it needs to be part of the system so pages can adjust the number of things to load as needed. It doesn't reduce noise as much as the previous system, but it's still much easier to look at.

Fiz
07-07-2015, 10:02 AM
Secondly, putting the folder navigation between the piece and artist comments creates this large "gulf" between the two. It was fine at the bottom of the page, because that made it the last thing the user would likely see, as well as keeping it out of the way.


Only gonna comment on this because the reason this was changed because so many people didn't even know there was a folder navigation towards the bottom of a submission page.

There were quite a few times people requested folder navigation as a feature, and when they were told "hey that already exists", they were dead surprised because they just had never noticed it before. So it needed to he be moved.

Ois
07-07-2015, 10:02 AM
it needs to be part of the system so pages can adjust the number of things to load as needed.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused by what you mean here. Could you go over what you are after and I'll take a look tomorrow. If it looks like this will flood over into this thread, I'll take the conversation over to private messages.

I did have an earlier build this arvo where it was all slightly smaller 1:1 ratio squares, but this ended up stretching thumbnails and I decided to go with square containers instead. Should be a way to do both that will come to me and wake me up at 2am, that's the usual way things happen in my head.


I also want to say again I do appreciate the work that went into the new layout, but I'm in that group that struggles to take content in when displayed the new way. No disrespect intended.

anubis_werewolf
07-07-2015, 10:07 AM
I can understand wanting the thumbnail to show more of the pic but why make them so HUGE. I mean it only shows about 12 pics per page. That is kinda overkill, don't you think. I tried changing them back to normal but it doesn't work. I just want the small thumbnails again so I can glance through my pics quickly and easily again.

Fiz
07-07-2015, 10:08 AM
I also want to say again I do appreciate the work that went into the new layout, but I'm in that group that struggles to take content in when displayed the new way. No disrespect intended.

That's fine, no disrespect taken. Thanks for making a styish theme to help out regarding it.

Tayruu
07-07-2015, 10:15 AM
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by what you mean here. Could you go over what you are after and I'll take a look tomorrow. If it looks like this will flood over into this thread, I'll take the conversation over to private messages.
I don't think Stylish can do that - what I mean is that I assume under this new system, pages don't always load the same number of items per page? This way it can adapt the images loaded to fit "nicely".

I could be wrong though, in which case never mind that.

Storm
07-07-2015, 10:27 AM
Here you go:

Custom Weasyl: Grid view thumbnails (https://www.weasyl.com/submission/1030041/custom-weasyl-grid-view-thumbnails)

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As for the number of thumbs, yes that is in the system, we can't change that from the outside... BUT!!! If Weasyl implements just as much as an option in your settings for how many thumbs to display - a feature that should be implemented anyway IMO - it could work fine in conjunction with the User Styles.

Silverfoxwolf
07-07-2015, 10:52 AM
This is literally the worst thing I've ever seen done to this site. The old design of thumbnail was a neat grid, this new one is hell to navigate around on. PLEASE revert back to the old way of doing it and keep square thumbnails, if you really want to improve them just make them have a bigger area.

The restore thumbnail tool seems to have gotten most of mine back to the way they were, but a lot are not right on where they are selecting. The suggestion of holding down shift doesn't work to keep it square. Why can't we select that it's just keeps the old format on new thumbnails? Or have a button that keeps it allows us to select an area and have it scaled to the old size?

teckworks
07-07-2015, 10:55 AM
I'm not sure something a simple as gridless organization is something others have to jump ship over. Personally I am totally fine with the asymmetrical look. I've had my fill of grids for years, especially with all of the modern day designers fawning over the whole "squares and grids are love" concept, so it's refreshing to see something different~ Considering what other things the staff COULD have done with the thumbnails I hardly think this is the worst.

Socks the Fox
07-07-2015, 11:05 AM
I just want to reiterate and clarify; I don't mind the layout of the new thumbnails nearly as much as the size.

The size of the thumbnails is controlled by CSS, right? How about a user-selectable option of small/medium/large. Small would be 60% of the current size (150px height at 1080p), Medium would be 80% of normal (200px height) and large would be 100% of the current height (250px).

I would still prefer a grid layout on the notification screen, but I can understand not wanting to write a crapton of extra CSS just for that.

Storm
07-07-2015, 11:30 AM
Love people who go butthurt about no grid, RIGHT UNDER my post with a HUGE RED link in it to a user style crating a grid view.

anubis_werewolf
07-07-2015, 11:38 AM
Well, I tried that add on, it didn't work :/

Spur
07-07-2015, 11:42 AM
Well, I for one love this new look~!

My only issue with it is that because the thumbnails show so much, they sometimes replace the need to actually click on them to view the full picture. It would be interesting to see how overall view counts are affected in the long term.

Storm
07-07-2015, 11:54 AM
Well, I tried that add on, it didn't work :/
How so? Maybe we can help you.

You first need to install the addon, then you need to install one of the versions of my User Style. The install buttons on the Styles will work once the Stylish addon is installed.

You can also go to your Stylish and check i the Style is installed and activated.

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My only issue with it is that because the thumbnails show so much, they sometimes replace the need to actually click on them
I believe that is only really an issue with icons and the like. I mean, if you look at a thumb and you don't open it then you probably won't like it anyway.

anubis_werewolf
07-07-2015, 11:56 AM
Yeah, I downloaded it and installed it. I went back to my Weasyl page and it was still the same

PlayPossum
07-07-2015, 12:26 PM
Update approved! Looks beautiful! I switched to the new thumbs for everything except multimedia.

But my old music/animation thumbs look so small, I believe they were originally 500x500px files when I uploaded them. I'll have to re-do them because I already deleted the thumb files.


We actually did investigate a fluid-column layout while experimenting. It scrolls well, especially on mobile. However, we chose to go for fluid rows: They are intuitive to scan, similar to reading for the majority of our users. Because Weasyl sorts most thing by time, it's important that the layout be easy to follow in a chronological order, and we found that rows were much clearer for that.
THANK GOD. I'm one of the "pro-grid" users, but I still can deal with fluid rows because they are in order. Losing all sense of chronology is a nightmare I owe Tumblr some revenge for to this very day!


Those who want a Grid layout: Sorry, but you are a minority.
I'm not so sure. The majority seems to support the new thumbs, yes, but lots of people are concerned about their placement itself.
There is no conflict between the new update and a grid display; in fact, deviantART makes use of the SAME thumbnails for both organic and grided galleries:
http://i.imgur.com/Qeu5WMN.jpg

After writing the answer above, I saw you posted a custom CSS solution. Awesome! It's exactly what people are asking for.
Would that be a complicated toggle-able option to add natively in Weasyl? Many users would appreciate it.

Best of two worlds.

Boxwolf
07-07-2015, 12:40 PM
Hm, quite the interesting long awaited update I'd say! So far it seems pretty nice though I'd agree, if there were any chance of playing with an option for the overall size of thumbs that could be useful but if that's not viable I think this could be fine. One gripe I have though is I preferred the rating marker hovering slightly off from the picture and I can't remember if it was thinner before or not? For me now it's kind of hard to distinguish it from the picture when it's stuck so close. Can't quite say I really like the hover outline either personally (not including the submission notifications page) but that's a small personal grumble. Thank you for the hard work guys!

Noxid
07-07-2015, 12:44 PM
After using it a bit I'll second that the rating indicator is a bit harder to distinguish now, and I wouldn't mind if they were / had an option to be /slightly/ smaller but overall yeah it's not bad

Lagos
07-07-2015, 12:47 PM
My only issue with it is that because the thumbnails show so much, they sometimes replace the need to actually click on them to view the full picture. It would be interesting to see how overall view counts are affected in the long term.

That's a concern for me as well. I don't think there's a good solution to it beyond 'try to drive traffic to the site so it works out'. In my mind, part of the point of the navigation shortcuts and re-positioning the Folder Next/Prev is to make browsing submissions directly easier (although currently that doesn't work for, say, search results).

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But my old music/animation thumbs look so small, I believe they were originally 500x500px files when I uploaded them. I'll have to re-do them because I already deleted the thumb files.

Sorry about that: We still had the legacy thumbnails for multimedia and were able to copy them over so everything wasn't naked at launch, but we couldn't generate new thumbnails for multimedia the way we did for visual submissions.

EDIT: I see that the music files at least have cover images, though. Could you use those?

PlayPossum
07-07-2015, 02:04 PM
EDIT: I see that the music files at least have cover images, though. Could you use those?

Yeah, that's the funny part, the three of my songs had cover art and a custom thumbnail (which are like the cover art, but with a "Music!" warning text on top of it.

The three of them have kept their cover arts in full-size, but just the third one kept a big thumbnail.

My gallery (for checking the thumbs):
https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/playpossum

The three submissions (for checking the cover arts):
https://www.weasyl.com/submission/987845/opoison-ooooo-oo-ooo
https://www.weasyl.com/submission/631516/opoison-i-m-back-bitches
https://www.weasyl.com/submission/411232/opoison-plug-me-a-heart

If you want me to keep these untouched for analysis, let me know, else I'll fix them manually later tonight. :)

KarlaChan
07-07-2015, 02:16 PM
I am really liking the new Thumbs a lot actually. The look very nice. Like honestly I dislike dA's since it can be horrible with lots of gaps which I really don't like. I really like how everything is very smoothly close together and grouped together. I know it sounds a little thing, but honestly for an art site how the art looks can make a huge difference I think.

So yeah, I am really welcoming this new change!

s_p
07-07-2015, 05:28 PM
I find their idea of fixing the problem funny.
They expect you to download something to fix the the grid problem (Doesn't fix the size problem), I no longer trust weasyl and I won't risk my computer in an attempt to half fix something they've screwed up.
If this problem isn't properly fixed soon (without the need to install crap) I'm thinking of mothballing my account.

I regret all the nice things I said about weasyl now, this site is starting to seem just as bad as FA.

Heuvadoches
07-07-2015, 07:17 PM
Hate it. Don't want it. Where's the option to show the old looK?

KajTaotsu
07-07-2015, 07:19 PM
I find their idea of fixing the problem funny.
They expect you to download something to fix the the grid problem (Doesn't fix the size problem), I no longer trust weasyl and I won't risk my computer in an attempt to half fix something they've screwed up.
If this problem isn't properly fixed soon (without the need to install crap) I'm thinking of mothballing my account.

I regret all the nice things I said about weasyl now, this site is starting to seem just as bad as FA.

Dude theres only so much that we as the user community can do to have temporary fixes for updates if you dont like them. The Stylish addon that Storm has provided, as a user and not staff, only affects how the page is organized pretty much, offering the grid instead of flow. Changing the size and amount of submissions shown on a page are built into the site and cant be edited by 3rd party software.

This update was literally just put out yesterday, give the staff some time to figure out what they want/need to do next.

Also putting Weasyl on the same pedestal as FA is a huge slap in the face to everyone that uses and works on this site. They've been more than grateful for user feedback, ideas, input, theyre on top of keeping users in the know with info and issues, and work constantly to make this place better. It's like telling your server at a high-end restaurant is just as bad as McD's because the burger you just ordered had onions on it and you dont like onions, even if it was a total mistake and they would fix it right asap. The product may not be perfect, but it's still higher quality than what is at other places. Compared to FA and what has happened over the 8 years Ive personally been over there, this site has been pretty damn spot-on.

Heuvadoches
07-07-2015, 07:21 PM
Also putting Weasyl on the same pedestal as FA is a huge slap in the face to everyone that uses and works on this site.

The truth hurts.

DrunkCat
07-07-2015, 07:24 PM
The truth hurts.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/3741a22e19f793edeadf7de6f80ddbc1/tumblr_msb526xLMp1qh7gfao1_500.gif

KajTaotsu
07-07-2015, 07:26 PM
The truth hurts.

If you believe pushing a new thumbnail scheme when the square thumbnails were #1 issue with users to selling off your website to IMVU and then adding 'mature ads' to it, you need to get your priorities checked out severely.

s_p
07-07-2015, 07:57 PM
Dude theres only so much that we as the user community can do to have temporary fixes for updates if you dont like them. The Stylish addon that Storm has provided, as a user and not staff, only affects how the page is organized pretty much, offering the grid instead of flow. Changing the size and amount of submissions shown on a page are built into the site and cant be edited by 3rd party software.

This update was literally just put out yesterday, give the staff some time to figure out what they want/need to do next.

Also putting Weasyl on the same pedestal as FA is a huge slap in the face to everyone that uses and works on this site. They've been more than grateful for user feedback, ideas, input, theyre on top of keeping users in the know with info and issues, and work constantly to make this place better. It's like telling your server at a high-end restaurant is just as bad as McD's because the burger you just ordered had onions on it and you dont like onions, even if it was a total mistake and they would fix it right asap. The product may not be perfect, but it's still higher quality than what is at other places. Compared to FA and what has happened over the 8 years Ive personally been over there, this site has been pretty damn spot-on.

Then Weasyl should've taken more care with the update and not rushed it out, had the option in place to choose between the old thumbs and the new ones the second it went active.
It was moves like this that sealed FA's fate long ago.
In fairness if Neer had done this on FA the members would be trying to lynch him for it.

I tell it as it is.

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Hate it. Don't want it. Where's the option to show the old looK?

Agreed.
This is why I always keep SF as my main site.

DrunkCat
07-07-2015, 08:22 PM
It seems this thread is missing two words at the end: "of entitlement".

Home
07-07-2015, 08:35 PM
As an artist who's trying to use Weasyl as my main gallery, the thumb update is a welcome change. Over time the square thumbs made me less likely to upload, as I was basically assured every new upload would make my gallery look more and more monotonous. While there's definitely valid critique to be made, I worry there's a bit of a vocal minority going on here when it comes to arguing against them.

This new thumb system is one of the more efficient uses of monitor space for displaying galleries, so it doesn't really seem disorganized to me (worth noting that I have a large monitor, though, so I can see where some folks are coming from when they're asking for a scaled-down option). Putting variable amounts of space between thumbs in order to maintain a fixed grid seems more disorganized and haphazard, if that's something to be brought up.

This thumb update was in the works for a long time, as one of the first complaints brought up was against Weasyl's small square thumbs, so I really doubt this was rushed. It's impossible for a site to move forward while completely maintaining legacy support. Old formats weigh a site down, exponentially over time, and you can't expect a site to keep supporting them. Especially when that site still has "beta" across its logo.

ganache
07-07-2015, 09:06 PM
I hate to make comparisons, but some of this staunch stance of "this doesn't work!!" makes me wonder who hasn't seen the thumbs on Flickr (aka the only professional photography site I know of). Like come on.
They are gorgeous imo - so I'm really excited seeing wzl's thumbs in a similar way. I didn't mind the square thumbs or grid layout (some crops I liked so much I never deleted them from my notifs in fact - ) but seeing the same submissions in full now and in a way I can read is somehow exciting? I really enjoy looking over what's new and old now.

I agree that sizing can use fiddling on the home page most, and browsing journals is a little weird rn (mostly at the expense of even medium-ish titles being lost to ellipses) but overall I'm happy. People need to remember the devs aren't dusting their hands off like "that's that" here with the layout options. It's a process that evolves and each step isn't easy to leap from in bounds.

emmil
07-07-2015, 09:58 PM
I like the thumbnail change. The size is ok. I don't mind if the landscape image thumbnails look bigger (actually it's just longer) than the portrait ones. It's a consequence. Making the landscape image thumbs smaller or giving portrait image thumbs some blank space on both sides will make it look messy. It's pretty and tidy now. I just wish, we could have more gallery folders shown on the profile and the ability to choose which folders to show on our profile page. :)

KajTaotsu
07-07-2015, 10:09 PM
I just wish, we could have more gallery folders shown on the profile and the ability to choose which folders to show on our profile page. :)

If you're meaning like the folders showing their content up top like favorites, characters, or submissions in general, that would be a cool option! Would give artists a great way to promote certain works like comic series' and portfolios.

rbartrop
07-07-2015, 10:30 PM
Personally, I really like the new setup. In fact, I like it better than the other art sites. The old system was like looking through a keyhole, and the new one lets you see all the art on the page in its entirety. The whole point of an art site is to showcase art, and IMO, anything that does that more effectively should take priority over whether all the grids line up.

Gillpanda
07-07-2015, 11:39 PM
......


Well you can't please everybody all the time, I suppose.

Ain't that the truth...

Toshabi
07-08-2015, 01:15 AM
I regret all the nice things I said about weasyl now, this site is starting to seem just as bad as FA.


That would require Weasyl to not have an update since inception. Your comparison is illogical and poorly contrived.

RedSavage
07-08-2015, 01:54 AM
Honestly, to everyone complaining like this is the worst thing since FA hired a dog-fucker and a rapist as an admin, you're everything that's wrong with the antho community. You complain about change. You complain about lack of change. You complain because X feature was not to your liking. You complain because Y feature was not good enough.

Honestly, Weasyl has bent over backwards to address every issue that's come across it's plate. Thankless, I might add. If you wanted square thumbnails you should have spoken up earlier to express your satisfaction. You didn't. You remined the silent minority. Get over it.

Lagos
07-08-2015, 02:09 AM
I just wish, we could have more gallery folders shown on the profile and the ability to choose which folders to show on our profile page. :)

Currently we select 3 folders at random with a random submission inside to use a thumbnail*. I like the latter feature--it adds a little variety. But I see how the former forces artists to pick between having more folders and maintaining control.

I don't want to get this thread off-topic, but maybe you could open a thread in the suggestions forum? Some questions for that: Is the three folder limit a problem? If there were a notion of 'priority folders', which were always selected over non-priority folders, but if you had more than three, it would select three priority folders randomly, would that be sufficient?

There's obviously greater degrees of control but too many knobs can create a schizophrenic experience, so I prefer to think of the simplest thing.

* We used to have some oversights where thumbnails would be selected for images that were above the browsing user's settings or contained black list tags, etc. but I think I fixed all of those. Report on the support thread if it's ever weird.

Grom PE
07-08-2015, 02:12 AM
I welcome the new thumbnails.
However, artists still have an option to arbitrarily crop the thumbnail and users have no way to disable such custom thumbnails for their view.

I feel that keeps fueling the problem that change was trying to solve in the first place: letting users have a general preview of the images.

Granted, there are fewer cropped thumbnails now (80% of images in my inbox have non-cropped thumbnails) and this is a step in the right direction, but I'd like an option to always see automatically generated thumbnails rather than what authors have cropped.

RedSavage
07-08-2015, 02:25 AM
I enjoy a proper thumbnail where I'm not tricked into looking at some half-baked fetish piece because the artists made the thumbnail out of the ONE good section of art.

"Oh hey the eyes look good on this aaaaaaaaaaand it's watersports diaper art they didn't tag."

piñardilla
07-08-2015, 03:02 AM
I welcome the new thumbnails.
However, artists still have an option to arbitrarily crop the thumbnail and users have no way to disable such custom thumbnails for their view.

I feel that keeps fueling the problem that change was trying to solve in the first place: letting users have a general preview of the images.

Granted, there are fewer cropped thumbnails now (80% of images in my inbox have non-cropped thumbnails) and this is a step in the right direction, but I'd like an option to always see automatically generated thumbnails rather than what authors have cropped.


I enjoy a proper thumbnail where I'm not tricked into looking at some half-baked fetish piece because the artists made the thumbnail out of the ONE good section of art.

"Oh hey the eyes look good on this aaaaaaaaaaand it's watersports diaper art they didn't tag."

Thanks for the feedback. We'll look at an option to disable custom thumbnails as a possibility. We expect a lot less use of custom thumbnails now though, as it seems like a lot of them were done because it was mandatory to crop somewhere when thumbnails had to be square.

If you encounter any thumbnails that you find to actually be misleading about its content, please file a ticket to report it to the mod team. Tricking users with misleading thumbnails is prohibited by our Community Guidelines (§ I.B.3).

Ibuuyk
07-08-2015, 08:53 AM
Yeah, custom thumbnails are a pretty bad idea. Since the new update, people seem to just choose some landscape picture that has nothing to do with the actual picture as a thumbnail, just so it takes up more place and attracts more views.

rbartrop
07-08-2015, 11:46 AM
I think custom thumbnails do have a place, like when it's used as a warning about content. The fact is, whatever setup you use, there are going to be people who will try to work it to their advantage.

Storm
07-08-2015, 12:05 PM
Seems like I'll have to post this 2-3 times on every page because many people still don't read, just complain.

Custom Weasyl: Grid view thumbnails (https://www.weasyl.com/submission/1030041)

s_p
07-08-2015, 12:48 PM
Christ. I didn't think thumbnails on a site could ruin someone's life this bad. lmao



And suddenly, I'm no longer surprised by your demeanor.

EDIT: Just for the people who seem to be raging needlessly.

1) They're thumbnails.
The site is not broken. It is not running slower (at least not due to anything outside of higher traffic). It was not rearranged to make it unfamiliar. It's not even objectively bad. If you don't like it, cool. Express your grievances calmly/assertively and the staff will do what they can to reach a compromise. Trust me, they've done so for far pettier complaints. Calm down. Relax. And ditch the entitlement. I'm sure most of the ones going the most ape haven't even given a dime to Weasyl. lol

It's slightly bigger thumbnails. This is not even close to the "worst thing" they've done. You will fucking live. A Pachi Promise™.

2) For the ones "threatening" to pack up and leave...welp, seeya. I don't know about the mods, but the rest of us will damn sure not care. That's not telling you to go, but I doubt many will care if you leave stomping your feet over something so slight.

3) Oh please god don't even try to compare it to FA fuckups. I'll be here alllll damn day soundly dismantling that terrible logic. Please lets not get into that ballpark.

There's nothing wrong with Sofurry.
They've ruined the site with this, messy and oversized it ruins the whole experience of browsing weasyl and puts me off using the site.

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That would require Weasyl to not have an update since inception. Your comparison is illogical and poorly contrived.

No update at all is better then this crap.

DrunkCat
07-08-2015, 12:54 PM
Door is to your left.

http://www.doorsonline.co/images/accessories/Wood_Door-Liner_skirting.jpg

s_p
07-08-2015, 01:19 PM
Door is to your left.

http://www.doorsonline.co/images/accessories/Wood_Door-Liner_skirting.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g10/brainfuzz/finger.jpg

And look what's to your right.
Since you can't understand my feelings on the subject I found someone who and explain it in a way anyone can understand.

RedSavage
07-08-2015, 01:40 PM
The childishness is real.

DrunkCat
07-08-2015, 01:44 PM
I'm glad someone else said it. You just gotta give 'em enough rope.

SapperDragon
07-08-2015, 02:15 PM
Absolutely lovely! The tiny, custom thumbnails made browsing the site a chore.
Very much psyched about this feature! :}

Does that mean it's the end of custom submission thumbnails? Is the option to turn them off coming, or will this come back to being "guess if the image is cropped or not!"/"bust or not?" game?

Agitoho
07-08-2015, 02:44 PM
Well, it's starting to grow on me. I do think maybe the thumbnails themselves are a bit too big, but I still like it.

I also didn't know that people seemed to be using thumbnails to hide, um... surprises (I was always under the impression that just the size of them was the biggest issue). I used to make thumbnails of my characters' faces because to me, that was the most important part of the pic and hopefully it made people curious about what the rest of the character looked like. Knowing that this seems to have negative reactions makes me wonder how many people I've unintentionally scared off...

It sort of has me rethinking what to do with my comic, as I can see using custom thumbnails as a good way to hide spoilers. I suppose I'll figure out a way to deal with it (and it may not even be that big of a deal for me, as I don't really know if anyone is actually reading my comic anyway, ha ha).

RedSavage
07-08-2015, 02:57 PM
Generally if you're not trying to hide hard-alternative content then I don't mind it. In fact, sometimes its welcome, as is the case of people who create custom thumbnails that actually list off the content right there.


General SFW and comic thumbnailing is generally fine imho.

Spur
07-08-2015, 03:16 PM
For furs whining about how much they hate it, give it a week. If you still hate it, then at least you'll be able to intelligently explain why you do, instead of "It's different! I hate it! I'm gonna leave unless you bow to my demands and get rid of it entirely! Waaah~!"

s_p
07-08-2015, 03:18 PM
I'm glad someone else said it. You just gotta give 'em enough rope.

You're no better.


Yes, you're right. SoFurry is absolutely outstanding. The site. I applaud the site. The community is a joke. I'm calling you a reflection of it.

So you're an outstanding member of the fandom?
Its because of people like you and DrunkCat trolling people you don't agree with is the main reason the fandom is in the state its in and why furs take so much abuse from non furs.



I've made my point on the thumbnails, I'm getting sick of repeating myself.
I'll leave it to others now.

I added DrunkCat to my ignore list.
Some people aren't worth the time of day.

DrunkCat
07-08-2015, 03:25 PM
Trolling? If "wastes so much space" is seriously such a deal breaker to you then just leave.

Toshabi
07-08-2015, 03:34 PM
There's nothing wrong with Sofurry.
They've ruined the site with this, messy and oversized it ruins the whole experience of browsing weasyl and puts me off using the site.

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No update at all is better then this crap.


I think you're a loss /any/ website would benefit from.

Lagos
07-08-2015, 04:01 PM
Thanks for all the good feedback in the thread. =:)

First of all, thank you to everyone who has come out to say they enjoy the new thumbnails. Seeing that our work has made people happy is what makes it worth it. And thank you as well to those who have explained why they *don't* like it. Especially those who have done so constructively, but even those who have done so, hm, with a fervent intensity.

I'd like to enumerate everything that comes to mind as things I've heard for criticism here and elsewhere. This is off the cuff, so if I've forgotten or missed one, please feel free to add it.

Layout and Sizes:

Some people find a grid view easier to navigate or cleaner.
Some people find the thumbnails just outright too big. Either because of bandwidth or because they want more things per page.
Characters have some issues with how they're displayed: It's inconsistent through the site, always boxed into squares and sometimes grids (enjoy, those of you who want grids)
Journals also have some display issue since their thumbnail is a 100x100 avatar and the text suffers. This is especially rough on mobile.
Legacy thumbnails are displayed slightly smaller than the 120x120 originals (around 110x110 from my testing, which doesn't sound like a lot but is actually about 15% smaller). This is a consequence of how we slightly tweak sizes programmatically to make the rows line up better. To me, this isn't that noticeable but I understand how some people might feel betrayed.
I hear there are some layout issues in Android 4.4? (Is that right/still true?)
The little ratings borders could benefit by being nudged a little.
Text submissions could probably use a different approach for thumbnails.
The new folder Old/New navigation has had mixed reviews: We wanted to make that more prominent because people were outright unaware of its existence in its old location. But some have found that it interrupts the flow of the submission page by separating the image from the owner's description and others have critiqued the white space.



Social:

There's a concern that while now custom thumbnails are less necessary, an emergent result is that extreme imagery is more common while browsing whereas previously they would often be occluded.
Conversely, some people don't want custom thumbs on visual submissions at all.
Landscape orientations can get more space than portrait and people worry that this may be unfair or encourage people to make wide thumbnails.



Some responses, just for my own view on these; this should be considered non-binding, my personal take, not a reflection of weasyl policy, etc. (Read: I just work on Weasyl, I don't speak for it).


On the grid view front, I recommend people try out Storm's CSS solution. Thanks, Storm, for writing that so quickly. I also, of course, recommend that you give the fluid rows a try for a week. =:)
If we change thumbnail sizes or geometry again it should be done in a way that permits different sizes for different people. That's a nice idea, but it'll be an architectural overhaul to do it well. Discussions on this are still preliminary.
Characters and journals could use some tweaks on their display. I'd prefer to fix the latter first because people being unable to read titles bothers me more than character display being janky for a bit.
On the extreme imagery front, what constitutes an unpleasant image for one person versus another is a social problem as much as a technological one, so I'd prefer to tackle this with better tagging and blacklisting support. Currently, our tagging culture isn't very good (thanks to those who do use the system though). We're talking about what can be done to improve tagging culture through features and policy to make that better, and where the right middle ground exists between giving artists control over their work and making a site that's navigable and searchable in a useful way for viewers (since after all, there's no point in hanging your work in an art gallery that no one can find).
A feature to disable custom thumbnails for visual submissions is currently in review.
I'd like to wait and see on the landscape issue to see if it becomes abused or a serious problem. Please don't troll this.

Agitoho
07-08-2015, 04:01 PM
Generally if you're not trying to hide hard-alternative content then I don't mind it. In fact, sometimes its welcome, as is the case of people who create custom thumbnails that actually list off the content right there.


General SFW and comic thumbnailing is generally fine imho.

I'm actually starting to see an advantage of a, let's call it 'full picture thumbnail' at least as far as comics go. It becomes a lot more evident that 'this is comic page' then if you were to crop it and make it look like it's just another picture. And now that you can see the thumbnails better, it's hard not to take advantage of that. I'll probably still crop things to avoid spoilers, but now that I've had time to sit and think about it, I'm more warmed up to the idea of going default.

Fiz
07-08-2015, 04:22 PM
Polite reminder to cut out the insulting of others (and other websites for that matter) and to try to stay on topic.

For those who don't like the update, just post polite criticism so we can utilize that feedback to perhaps adjust things. We all got our big boy/girl/etc. pants on, we can take it!

For those who don't agree with people not liking the update, it's fine to discuss but there's no reason for it to get heated. We can all agree to disagree now and then, dontcha think?

And just throwing out a thank you to those making stylish sheet options and to lagos for monitoring the thread for feedback.

BlueJaySF
07-08-2015, 06:14 PM
This is an inside-look at the technicians' efforts that was leaked, and it details the entire update development process:


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8168/7409312108_fcba24bef7.jpg

UndyingSong
07-08-2015, 06:32 PM
Very nice post, Lagos! :3

Chri
07-08-2015, 07:33 PM
Looking good Weasyl =D

Sage Freehaven
07-08-2015, 07:54 PM
I signed up specifically just to make this post, as I didn't want to waste a journal entry or whatever on it. THANKS, OBAMA.

Anywho.

While I appreciate the third-party solution of the userstyle, that only provides a cosmetic fix to a foundational problem. CSS selectors alone can't fix what else happens behind the scenes—scripts, HTML, whatever—which is why I have a problem with the current state of the thumbnails system.

I agree with all of the criticisms levelled against the new system so far, but one seems to have escaped the Woozilteam's eye: They didn't have a system in place that allowed us to choose a grid layout or a fluid layout. Of all places, DeviantArt lets people have the choice when browsing art on its various pages. (AFAIK, only the submission inbox lacks such a choice. Hint hint.) Woozilteam's shortsightedness in not offering users that choice has likely resulted in at least some of the complaints tossed their way, even if the complaining parties don't realize it.

When you make a big change like this, ideally, you want to give users time to ease into the change—and, if at all possible, give them an option that “undoes” as much of the change as possible so their experience on the site doesn't feel disrupted. DA didn't (and still doesn't) force a fluid browsing layout on its users; Weasyl did. And while the majority of the userbase might like the layout, those that don't might feel marginalized by a decision that didn't seem to take their opinions into account.

I appreciate Woozilteam for actually working on the site, addressing actual issues instead of mere cosmetic ones, and making the site feel like it hasn't gotten stuck in a quagmire of bullshit. (Not naming names. Everyone else does that, anyway. Everyone. Really.) But by forcing this change upon the userbase and refusing (whether by choice or by lack of forethought) to give users a choice between grid layout and fluid layout, I feel as though Woozilteam has…well…has fucked up kinda badly.

Before anyone leaps in to say it: No, I'm not entitled to have the grid layout. (Hence the whole third-party cosmetic solution.) But I think Woozilteam should've at least thought far enough ahead to give people a choice to keep it.

ijoe
07-08-2015, 08:16 PM
Dropping in to say, wow, it's good to see weasyl's most aggravating issue finally getting some attention.

Custom thumbnails really should stay here. If I want to upload something weird that some people might not like, it gives me a space for some kind of content warning. Or if I'm posting a big comic or drawing progression all in one page, it would be really difficult for someone browsing to tell what it is without making my own thumbnail.

People using misleading thumbnails for clickbaiting can just be reported/sent a generic warning message by the mods, or preferably the site could adopt an E621-style tagging system and just let people filter as they see fit. Bad tagging is something that really should be cracked down on for sites with adult content.

As it is, the thumbnails seem to be a hair too big and a grid layout might be more appealing for a good number of people. Maybe they're about the right size on a better monitor?(using 1600x900 now). Seems like it should be possible to let people pick a size in their account settings if they're being scaled down and arranged dynamically by the page code.


Another minor feature that I'd personally like to see implemented if time allows... blocking content by file extension. I can do this with adblock but it leaves big blank thumbnails that waste a ton of space.

PlayPossum
07-08-2015, 09:16 PM
blocking content by file extension.
What? Why?

Hendikins
07-08-2015, 09:27 PM
Custom thumbnails really should stay here. If I want to upload something weird that some people might not like, it gives me a space for some kind of content warning. Or if I'm posting a big comic or drawing progression all in one page, it would be really difficult for someone browsing to tell what it is without making my own thumbnail.

Custom thumbnails aren't going anywhere. An option to always see default thumbnails when browsing the site is in review. I will note that if custom thumbnails are used for content warnings, it should be in conjunction with proper tagging (not in lieu of it).


People using misleading thumbnails for clickbaiting can just be reported/sent a generic warning message by the mods, or preferably the site could adopt an E621-style tagging system and just let people filter as they see fit. Bad tagging is something that really should be cracked down on for sites with adult content.

Community tagging and tag blacklisting (https://www.weasyl.com/manage/tagfilters) are already available - although there are other ways in which the tagging system could be improved. Misleading thumbnails should be reported as piñardilla mentioned earlier.


Another minor feature that I'd personally like to see implemented if time allows... blocking content by file extension. I can do this with adblock but it leaves big blank thumbnails that waste a ton of space.

I'm curious as to the use case for this.

Gamedog
07-08-2015, 09:51 PM
Hello, Gamedog.

The way we represent characters and their thumbnails are a bit problematic: We couldn't generate new thumbnails for them and we can't pre-calculate their widths the way we can with other content, so they're always represented in squares. The smaller icons are the historical ones from before the change over. Newer characters will benefit from the larger thumbnails: You'll see that the newer ones are larger--but they're still constrained inside squares. Well, the good news is here at least people who prefer a grid will get a chance to see what they want and test it out. We do have a plan to bring characters more in line with the rest of our content but I can't provide a time estimate.

On the journal front, these are based on avatars, which are still small. We may need to look into a different layout there.

Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for the reply :)

I checked it out now and it looks a lot better, with people uploading/updating the larger icons.

ijoe
07-08-2015, 10:04 PM
Extension blocking clarification- it has limited use and is thus 'minor'.

This probably would be most used for flash, pdfs, but mainly just idiots who use .PNG for absolutely *everything*. 95% of images don't need it, it wastes 2-5x the bandwidth of a jpg and it's hell on a mobile/satellite data plan.

Heuvadoches
07-08-2015, 10:34 PM
A feature to disable custom thumbnails for visual submissions is currently in review.


How about a feature to display the old thumbnail process?

Hendikins
07-08-2015, 10:37 PM
How about a feature to display the old thumbnail process?

The old square thumbnails are no longer being generated. We remain open to suggestions for refining and improving the thumbnail system, but the old thumbnails are not coming back.

anubis_werewolf
07-08-2015, 10:47 PM
The old square thumbnails are no longer being generated. We remain open to suggestions for refining and improving the thumbnail system, but the old thumbnails are not coming back.

Please bring at least an option for the old thumbnails. The new ones are FAR too big. When you only get three pics per row in a space that used to hold 8-10, that is kinda overkill. It was nice to be able to glance through a gallery quickly and easily.

Sage Freehaven
07-08-2015, 11:10 PM
When you only get three pics per row in a space that used to hold 8-10, that is kinda overkill. It was nice to be able to glance through a gallery quickly and easily.

Agreed on this point.

Ois
07-09-2015, 04:10 AM
As someone else who posted a stylish solution for arranging to a grid (implemented different to Storm's), I'm curious on the size issue people are mentioning. What resolution are people running at? It would help us find a target to give you a workaround.

Bornes
07-09-2015, 04:59 AM
I'm running on a 15" monitor at 1366x768. While I would still prefer a grid layout (current thumbnails, but grid), more padding between the thumbnails might be a compromise.

I mean, don't get me wrong, the current layout is nice, and I DO like having the whole picture as the thumbnail. But as far as browsing goes, it looks a lot more cramped right now.
This is my front page - actual size. http://i.imgur.com/rW2ixr5.png (NSFW)

Maybe just make smaller thumbnails?

edit: Also before anyone asks, I'm on win7, I just like the classic theme.
edit2: I realized only after I uploaded this that there was an adult submission on the page. Sorry.

Sage Freehaven
07-09-2015, 06:44 AM
I run at 1600×900 on a 19 or 20 inch monitor (I forget which, exactly). In regards to userstyles, the current one I'm using presents a unique problem brought about specifically by the way Weasyl handles thumbnails now.

Because Weasyl no longer uses square thumbnails, it has an uneven number of submissions on the frontpage at any given time. While I have room for nine separate submissions in the frontpage's "Recently Popular" section, only five show up—specifically because the original thumbnail size (three of the images I see are landscape-size) combined with Weasyl's fluid layout provides room for only those five on that particular row. When I called the userstyle a "cosmetic fix", that's what I meant: No custom CSS can change how Weasyl's underlying system works.

Ois
07-09-2015, 08:06 AM
Yeah I see that now, "Recently Popular" and the other options of Random, Literature, Multimedia, and Characters are all set to display a different number of defaults in that it looks like it tries to fit as many in as possible to the space provided. Styling them to squares/grids can cause double or half empty rows, so not a lot can be done to change that.

Tayruu
07-09-2015, 09:11 AM
Yes, please still allow square thumbnails, or just do what I mentioned about what DA does. Third-party modifications are good and all, but I will always feel sore about having to use something that really ought to be a feature...mainly because I have faith that the Weasyl team do things a bit better than the likes of DA or Twitter with their web design.

The thumbnail/item count does end up varying depending on how much space the items would take - something the stylish plugins don't/can't account for.

I don't think you'd have to keep generating the old thumbnails. ... at least, if done like DA or the plugins you wouldn't. If you wanted to create something exactly like the old layout there might be complications. Assuming items are <img>s, it might not work. I know one could perhaps CSS a background to proportionally scale (so thumbnails are background elements within the square links), but maybe there's another way.

Naturally this would run into the same problem again I mentioned though, how automatic thumbnails would centre poorly at times.

Hrm. I think the former idea works better.

Honestly I'm a little offended at those that are brushing off criticism as being in a "minority". I think I actually did see the proposed new design when it was being considered in development, but I assumed there would be enough response to avoid such a design. Clearly not many people saw this announcement. I didn't say anything at the time either because I felt like it would be fruitless, or maybe I just... forgot.

Addendum: Didn't titles under thumbnails used to have the same serif font as the username? The current caption/title is quite faint and thin. I suppose this draws more attention to the thumbnails themselves, but on the other hand it also looks very generic. Museo500 looks nicer than Lucida Sans.

Thumbnails also now appear to max out at 250px, which I've noticed takes longer to load. Other people have already posted how they seem too big (do they scale/resize with the browser/platform?), but shrinking their scale wouldn't deal with the actual file dimensions. What were the old thumbnail sizes? Maybe 150px would be a better size?

piñardilla
07-09-2015, 09:59 AM
Honestly I'm a little offended at those that are brushing off criticism as being in a "minority". I think I actually did see the proposed new design when it was being considered in development, but I assumed there would be enough response to avoid such a design. Clearly not many people saw this announcement. I didn't say anything at the time either because I felt like it would be fruitless, or maybe I just... forgot.

The feedback we're getting is still mostly positive – the preference for a grid view does actually appear to be a minority. That's not to "brush off" the criticism, though. Our development is driven by user criticism. That's how the new layout came to be in the first place: the old layout was our most frequent user complaint, and positive feedback for it was almost non-existent. It was one-sided enough that I'll admit to personally being surprised that there's as much desire to restore a grid view as there is. We're getting enough positive feedback that we're not going to revert at this point, but overall user satisfaction is not what we'd hoped, and that does matter to us.

Sage Freehaven
07-09-2015, 10:05 AM
I'm used to a grid view on most of the art/image sites I go to (FA, DA, 'boorus, Imgur), so I'd prefer the grid view simply because I can scan the grid much easier than I can do the same with a fluid layout.

And like I said: DA offers both grid and fluid layouts as options. Lots of people might prefer fluid, but a grid option for those who prefer the grid would be nice to have around here. (Especially on the notification center for submissions.)

DrunkCat
07-09-2015, 12:05 PM
Honestly I'm a little offended at those that are brushing off criticism as being in a "minority".

The only thing being brushed off is faux criticism, i.e. "oh em gee change is awful, look at all that whitespace". As for actual criticism, it is the minority. However that doesn't mean it's automatically brushed off. There are ton of minor tweaks suggested in those criticisms that are more than likely being considered. I wouldn't really call that "brushed off".

KageOkami
07-09-2015, 12:40 PM
I don't dislike the new way the thumbnails look, tho i would have liked that the submissions that already had a thumbnail (that was made on Weasyl) would have stayed the same way, so that only the new submissions could get it. Of course, you can always edit it, but i really find it a pain in the ass, to put it like that, to go over every single submission of mine, just to give them a new thumbnail.

That does really piss me off.

Fiz
07-09-2015, 12:49 PM
I don't dislike the new way the thumbnails look, tho i would have liked that the submissions that already had a thumbnail (that was made on Weasyl) would have stayed the same way, so that only the new submissions could get it. Of course, you can always edit it, but i really find it a pain in the ass, to put it like that, to go over every single submission of mine, just to give them a new thumbnail.

That does really piss me off.

Unless I'm misreading your post here, you don't need to edit each submission individually to give them their old style thumbnail back, you can do it in bulk here: https://www.weasyl.com/submit/thumbnail-select

KageOkami
07-09-2015, 12:51 PM
Unless I'm misreading your post here, you don't need to edit each submission individually to give them their old style thumbnail back, you can do it in bulk here: https://www.weasyl.com/submit/thumbnail-select

Thanks for the link.
I just got to upset that i didn't really think. /shame on me

Fiz
07-09-2015, 01:01 PM
Thanks for the link.
I just got to upset that i didn't really think. /shame on me

It's okay, just glad I could help out.

anubis_werewolf
07-09-2015, 02:47 PM
I hate the fact that if you do opt out for the old thumbnail layout, all new submissions will only be in the new set up. That makes the gallery look messy being in two styles. So if you want a uniform gallery you have to use the new set up or not ever post anything new. :/

Swanda
07-09-2015, 08:11 PM
Okay so I've had some time to adjust to the new layout and wanna throw in my thoughts on it :3

First of; thank you So much for Finally getting something done about those old thumbs! :giggle:
They were outright criminal, and I am so happy to hear you're not going back to that, not even as an option.

That said:

The new thumbnails do seem a tad too big. They gets kinda overwhelming, dubble so in combination with the fluid layout. I quite honestly think they should be scaled down ASAP, and then you can discuss if you want to make size options later. Do not wait 2 years+ to fix this.

The coloured rating markers are quite hard to see now.

The creator/title under the images are a bit of an eyesore now. Especially short titles + wide picture makes it very unintuitive to have them left aligned. It really, really annoy the hell out of me for some reason.

“More in Folder” arrows under submissions is not a bad idea, but the previews are. They are quite distracting and there is SO MUCH blank space around them?. Noxis addon arrows were super neat and un-intrusive, something like that would be golden <3

I don’t personally need the grid layout if you just cut the thumb size a tad, but I know a lot of people who would prefer it. So maybe an option to pick one or the other should be added in the future. It is however not as deadly needed as some make it out to be. Sadly you can’t please everyone, and not all sites have the funds DA have to push updates with.

Bornes
07-09-2015, 08:14 PM
All of what Swanda said.

KajTaotsu
07-10-2015, 01:40 AM
“More in Folder” arrows under submissions is not a bad idea, but the previews are. They are quite distracting and there is SO MUCH blank space around them?. Noxis addon arrows were super neat and un-intrusive, something like that would be golden <3

I kinda like the mini previews, especially when it comes to comics that artists are posting, it lets you get a relative feel of where you are in the storyline, but I get what you mean with the empty space around em.

anubis_werewolf
07-10-2015, 10:09 AM
I can see that people that at least want the option for the old thumbnails are not going to get a voice in this.
Sure, we can still view older submissions in the old layout but if no new thumbnails will be made in that style, what is the point of having it? It would just give us a split gallery which in turn looks sloppy. If both systems are made, how hard would it have really been to have both as a fully working option? At least give us the respect of that if you are offering the option in the first place.

Noxid
07-10-2015, 11:05 AM
I can see that people that at least want the option for the old thumbnails are not going to get a voice in this.
Sure, we can still view older submissions in the old layout but if no new thumbnails will be made in that style, what is the point of having it? It would just give us a split gallery which in turn looks sloppy. If both systems are made, how hard would it have really been to have both as a fully working option? At least give us the respect of that if you are offering the option in the first place.

The problem with that is, going forward you've now got two different codepaths for the same thing and if there's a feature change in the future that affects thumbnails in some capacity then it's gotta be written twice, tested twice, and designed to work around people having two fairly different layouts. Not to mention the confusion for artists trying to manage their galleries (do they have to upload two different thumbnails? how can they know what anyone who looks at their page is going to see?).
It's one thing to have a stylish plugin that moves them around to be laid out in a grid rather than fluidly for people who want that, but to support two different thumbnail configurations is probably a bad idea.

anubis_werewolf
07-10-2015, 11:09 AM
The problem with that is, going forward you've now got two different codepaths for the same thing and if there's a feature change in the future that affects thumbnails in some capacity then it's gotta be written twice, tested twice, and designed to work around people having two fairly different layouts. Not to mention the confusion for artists trying to manage their galleries (do they have to upload two different thumbnails? how can they know what anyone who looks at their page is going to see?).
It's one thing to have a stylish plugin that moves them around to be laid out in a grid rather than fluidly for people who want that, but to support two different thumbnail configurations is probably a bad idea.

So pretty much, use the new layout or lump it?
And the Stylish plug in does nothing. I installed it and it changed nothing

Sage Freehaven
07-10-2015, 12:32 PM
The problem with that is, going forward you've now got two different codepaths for the same thing and if there's a feature change in the future that affects thumbnails in some capacity then it's gotta be written twice, tested twice, and designed to work around people having two fairly different layouts. Not to mention the confusion for artists trying to manage their galleries (do they have to upload two different thumbnails? how can they know what anyone who looks at their page is going to see?).
It's one thing to have a stylish plugin that moves them around to be laid out in a grid rather than fluidly for people who want that, but to support two different thumbnail configurations is probably a bad idea.

DeviantArt manages to have options for grid and fluid layouts on browsing pages without requiring multiple thumbnails for the same submission (and without confusing users). I don't see why Weasyl can't do the same.

Noxid
07-10-2015, 12:49 PM
DeviantArt manages to have options for grid and fluid layouts on browsing pages without requiring multiple thumbnails for the same submission (and without confusing users). I don't see why Weasyl can't do the same.

Deviantart just uses the same thumbnails for both, as illustrated by this comparison I've taken [fluid] (http://i.imgur.com/AFJZppW.jpg) [grid] (http://i.imgur.com/9IbsGRw.jpg)
This is if I'm to understand essentially what the stylish thing /would/ do although I don't know if it works or not because I haven't had a chance to try it myself. Maybe it could be an option in future but don't quote me on that I'm just talking out my ass.

also slightly tangential but deviantart can be a bit more ambitious with these things because they have a full-time staff of 30+ devs and QA, whereas weasyl is just volunteers.

Sage Freehaven
07-10-2015, 01:01 PM
Theoretically, yes, the userstyle would simply “grid align” the thumbnails and everything would be great. The problem lies in how Weasyl handles thumbnails now: Rather than showing a set number of thumbnails in a fluid layout (as DA does), Weasyl instead tries to fill a set number of rows with thumbnails in a fluid layout. This results in the fluid layout of the Weasyl frontpage looking "full"—no empty space on a given row—but also results in the userstyle-crafted grid layout sometimes having lots of dead space when the number of thumbnails on a given row take up less space than the row itself. The userstyle provides a “cosmetic” fix to a problem that CSS alone can’t solve.

Noxid
07-10-2015, 01:47 PM
Well, I'd really have to take a look at it myself later and see what it does. I don't really know enough about the new thumbs right now to say what can and can't be done to line them up as they are.

Swanda
07-10-2015, 02:32 PM
Well there is a big difference between wanting a grid layout and wanting the old thumbnails back.
I'm okay with them implementing a grid layout as an option, but I'll object violently to bringing the old thumbnails back in any way or form. They were horrible at displaying visual art, and I would hate to know that people were looking through my gallery like that when there are now better options.
They were SO TINY, you couldn't see jack s'**, unless the submission was already an icon commission or something.
That said, if you want to continue the square look in your own gallery, Weasyl actually did give you that option. Pressing Left shift while using the thumbnail editor will force your selection to a square format.

anubis_werewolf
07-10-2015, 02:43 PM
That said, if you want to continue the square look in your own gallery, Weasyl actually did give you that option. Pressing Left shift while using the thumbnail editor will force your selection to a square format.

I tried that. The thumbnails are still massive compared to the old ones. The old thumbnails did the job they were suppose to. You could see a preview of the pics just fine. It made glancing through a gallery quick and easy. The new thumbnails are now so big you almost don't need to actually click on the full image anymore.

Swanda
07-10-2015, 03:09 PM
I do Agree that the new ones are a tad too big, the old ones however were way, way, WAY too small.
You might have been able to glance through fast, but you would get too little information to actually have seen the value of the art.
It's a balance, and the old was horrid, the new is way better but not perfect yet.

Oly
07-11-2015, 05:44 AM
I agree that they're a bit too large.

I don't agree that it should be put back on a grid. I love that it's dynamic. Having an option would be great if that's workable though, of course.

barrakoda
07-11-2015, 09:43 AM
This new update is AWESOME! I love it!

I say don't change a thing

Socks the Fox
07-11-2015, 02:19 PM
I really don't think adding options for grid-aligned, as well as size options, should be too hard. It's entirely front-end if you use the same thumbnail images for all of them, just some different CSS.

Socks the Fox
07-11-2015, 07:28 PM
The main downside is each extra option multiplies the amount of testing needed, since if they change the layout to add other features in the future it could interact with the CSS in wonky ways.

Onnes
07-11-2015, 08:49 PM
I'd assume that making the grid layout subordinate to the fluid one in terms of size and content would largely protect it from future conflicts. In settings you could append something like "(preferred)" to the fluid layout to warn people that the grid is a compromise. Of course, that still would require adding natural support for multiple styles in the first place.

Unimpressive
07-13-2015, 10:08 PM
I posted a negative initial impression, but after spending some more time actually using the site I'm warming up to the new thumbnails quite a bit. The improvement in usability outweighs any aesthetic complaints I have by a metric ton. Even if they are a bit uncomfortably large in the browser at first blush, giving such a clear picture is saving me a lot of clickthroughs. That's great for a viewer and maybe less great for an artist, from a certain perspective, but I don't personally pay much attention to my view counts.

This might be a weird stance, but I am against giving users more options. I'd rather see commitment to one solution that works as well as it can. If specific users want something else, community tweaks like Storm's Stylish mod are out there (and Weasyl can call attention to those via news updates, the Twitter feed, a dedicated list in the help section, etc. if they like). If the dev team keep pushing Weasyl toward being a great site with great things to offer, people will put up with its quirks to get what they want from it.

Lagos
07-15-2015, 01:23 AM
For those of you who have been complaining about misleading thumbnails, we've added an option to disable custom thumbnails for visual submissions under site preferences:

https://www.weasyl.com/control/editpreferences

I know this doesn't help people who have had the opposite, negative experiences with more, hm, 'startling' content on the pages or other grievances. One thing at a time, you know.

EDIT: Found a bug on this in search results: It can strip the thumbnails from multimedia/literary submissions in those places, where it shouldn't. Will try to get a fix out soon.

Grom PE
07-15-2015, 02:43 AM
This is perfect, now the remaining thumbnails that showed character faces but were actually fullbody pictures can be displayed properly!

Also I find the thumbnail dimensions to be just fine. Users may not be used to such sudden increase, but keep in mind: scrolling is very easy.


What could be further improved is thumbnail filesize. I find it too big, especially for PNG images. I also noticed in case of JPEG it contains a copy of all metadata, which I don't think is necessary. I think JPEG quality of 85 would be sufficient, and PNG images that have no transparency could also have JPEG thumbnails.

anubis_werewolf
07-15-2015, 02:59 AM
For those of you who have been complaining about misleading thumbnails, we've added an option to disable custom thumbnails for visual submissions under site preferences:

https://www.weasyl.com/control/editpreferences

I know this doesn't help people who have had the opposite, negative experiences with more, hm, 'startling' content on the pages or other grievances. One thing at a time, you know.

EDIT: Found a bug on this in search results: It can strip the thumbnails from multimedia/literary submissions in those places, where it shouldn't. Will try to get a fix out soon.

I don't understand, what does this do?

Grom PE
07-15-2015, 03:35 AM
I don't understand, what does this do?

Now you can force thumbnails to always display complete picture.

anubis_werewolf
07-15-2015, 03:37 AM
Now you can force thumbnails to always display complete picture.

what do you mean? Display the complete pic? Like the whole pic is seen as the thumbnail?

Socks the Fox
07-15-2015, 10:32 AM
Uploaders have the option of selecting a smaller section of the image to make a thumbnail from. Many artists make the stupid decision of having that smaller section be a super-close-up of a face, making it very difficult to see that no this is not an icon but an actual full image with actual details. This new option tells Weasyl you don't care about the artist's thumbnail, just use the default shrunken-version-of-the-full-pic thumbnail.

Agitoho
07-15-2015, 12:48 PM
So, I checked out my profile on my Alcatel smartphone. My thumbnails are sort of all over the place right now. A full row of three, then the next row just has one pic in the middle, then the next two rows have one pic all the way over to the left. Is anyone else having similar errors on their phone or do I need to tweak mine somehow?

Fiz
07-15-2015, 01:08 PM
So, I checked out my profile on my Alcatel smartphone. My thumbnails are sort of all over the place right now. A full row of three, then the next row just has one pic in the middle, then the next two rows have one pic all the way over to the left. Is anyone else having similar errors on their phone or do I need to tweak mine somehow?

Are you able to take a screencap of what your seeing with your phone? Would help us visualize what the issue is

Agitoho
07-15-2015, 01:48 PM
Are you able to take a screencap of what your seeing with your phone? Would help us visualize what the issue is

I hope an imgur link is okay. http://i.imgur.com/TtCXDlR.png

Fiz
07-15-2015, 04:39 PM
I hope an imgur link is okay. http://i.imgur.com/TtCXDlR.png

We're having a hard time replicating this. Which OS version are you running on the phone, which browser and which version of the browser?

Agitoho
07-15-2015, 05:23 PM
We're having a hard time replicating this. Which OS version are you running on the phone, which browser and which version of the browser?

Android 4.2.2
Chrome Version 43.0.2357.93

Lime_Flv_Dragon
07-15-2015, 10:33 PM
I get a similar problem using iOS 8.4 on iPhone 5 with browsers Safari, Dolphin 8.8.0, and Google Chrome 43.0.2357.61. Seems like it's not just Agitoho's or my profile doing this; I checked other profiles and some of them have it too.

Hendikins
07-16-2015, 04:51 PM
Android 4.2.2
Chrome Version 43.0.2357.93

Have you tried this in Firefox for Android? This may help us determine whether the problem is specific to the Webkit rendering engine.


I get a similar problem using iOS 8.4 on iPhone 5 with browsers Safari, Dolphin 8.8.0, and Google Chrome 43.0.2357.61. Seems like it's not just Agitoho's or my profile doing this; I checked other profiles and some of them have it too.

Apple does not allow shipping your own renderer on iOS, so if it's broken in Safari it's broken in all browsers. One of my many peeves with that particular platform...

Onnes
07-16-2015, 09:55 PM
I hope an imgur link is okay. http://i.imgur.com/TtCXDlR.png

I remember that when the new layout first rolled out, it looked similar on my smartphone. Now, though, every page I check looks fine. I'm running the same version of Chrome on android, but I'm on Android 5.1.1. I would have thought using Chrome or another non-webview browser would avoid issues relating to outdated Android versions.

Agitoho
07-17-2015, 12:58 PM
I just tried it through Firefox. For some reason, it just seems to be loading up my profile page incorrectly, so I guess it's a not a problem with android or the browsers, my page is just wonky for some reason. I did notice that other profiles I clicked on have two submissions displayed while mine seems to be trying to display 6 (maybe because they're taller?).

Heuvadoches
07-25-2015, 12:27 AM
For those of you who have been complaining about misleading thumbnails, we've added an option to disable custom thumbnails for visual submissions under site preferences:

https://www.weasyl.com/control/editpreferences

I know this doesn't help people who have had the opposite, negative experiences with more, hm, 'startling' content on the pages or other grievances. One thing at a time, you know.

EDIT: Found a bug on this in search results: It can strip the thumbnails from multimedia/literary submissions in those places, where it shouldn't. Will try to get a fix out soon.


Is there an option to completely disable this thumbnail crap and go back to the old view?

Fiz
07-25-2015, 07:01 AM
Is there an option to completely disable this thumbnail crap and go back to the old view?

No. It's been stated several times that square thumbs will not return since they are no longer being generated.

Flygon
07-25-2015, 11:51 PM
Having not really read the other 18-20 or so pages, are there any plans to enable reduced sized thumbnails (such as through browser-based scaling, rather than generating additional thumbs), and to be able to align them to a grid?

I find it difficult to use Weasyl at the moment, due to the thumbs never being in the same spot. Nevermind them also being gigantic. Browsing an image gallery shouldn't require effort to adjust for each different row, it's a bloody nuisance.

Uluri
07-27-2015, 04:43 PM
I really like the Thumbnails being the size that you have them. I don't think I've ever watched so many artists in such little time because I can Actually SEE their fantastic art! Thank you so much for helping improve my ability to find awesome artists!

rbartrop
07-27-2015, 05:20 PM
A definite fan of the new system here. I'm still on FA because, like Clyde Barrow said when asked why he robbed banks, that's where the money is. However, when it comes to browsing art for my own enjoyment, I come to Weasyl, and unlike FA or dA, I like to browse the front page. Between the thumbnails that give you a nice, clear view of the art, and the Recently Popular feature, browsing Weasyl's front page is enjoyable in a way that the other two sites just isn't. Kudos on a job well done!

Heuvadoches
07-28-2015, 08:40 PM
I find it difficult to use Weasyl at the moment, due to the thumbs never being in the same spot. Nevermind them also being gigantic. Browsing an image gallery shouldn't require effort to adjust for each different row, it's a bloody nuisance.

Same. I prefer a nice, orderly layout. The chaos of the front page bothers me.

Kaii
07-30-2015, 08:06 PM
Ermahgherd, YES! It's great to finally have thumbnails that properly show the art! :D

Paige
08-01-2015, 03:15 PM
I have to say I'm pretty unhappy with the new development, my art is all over the place and
unorganized due to the new "thumbnail rule". Sure it would be fine if I had the option to set my profile to how I
originally had my thumbs, but no, this isn't the case.

pretty disappointed honestly

PlayPossum
08-02-2015, 05:49 PM
I have to say I'm pretty unhappy with the new development, my art is all over the place and
unorganized due to the new "thumbnail rule". Sure it would be fine if I had the option to set my profile to how I
originally had my thumbs, but no, this isn't the case.

pretty disappointed honestly
Have you tried this? https://www.weasyl.com/submit/thumbnail-select

Keeping the old thumbs makes them pretty small, though. You could also crop a custom square thumbnail for every submission, in order to keep the overall gallery aligned. Just hold shift (or was it Ctrl?) while dragging to make it square.

dischimera
08-23-2015, 06:41 PM
Not trying to make a bigger deal of it than it really is, but I only just noticed there was a topic for this. I ended ranting in a different one instead.
So let me say it here. I don't like the new thumbnails. I'm OK with increasing the size limit. Not OK with how the update makes the front page messy as if pictures of different sizes were shrunk and randomly plastered in a wall.

So, I've seen a lot of hate for "click here" style of custom thumbnails.

I happen to do them that way. I do so just 'cause how awful full pictures looks in the thumbnail's dimensions if the difference in size is too big.
The same effort I put into drawing the character's body whole I put in their faces, so I want to call attention to the faces first, body second, as the average viewer of my kind of niche usually focuses more on the body and personally I want to do all I can to change that mentality.

I never thought so many people made a fuss over it. Makes me wonder if I lost too many potential watchers 'cause of that.