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Mewtwolover
10-01-2012, 03:50 AM
Since cub porn is banned in Weasyl, I have to ask that is Sonic porn allowed without having to age up the characters like you have to do in FA?

Wuvvums
10-06-2012, 12:20 PM
I'd like to bump this thread, but more ask about certain situations in general. I think the line between over 18 and under 18 is a lot more ambiguous than comparing a child to an adult. That being said I would ask about these situations:

Scenario 1: Character has no canon age listed and is of an ambiguous age
Example: Klonoa (http://swotti.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheA2XVBM9H/imgKlonoa1.jpg)

I can't think of a lot of these off the top of my head but I do wonder about characters without a canon age that don't really seem to fall into an age category that you can pin as over or under 18 just from traits that are shared very similarly to 17-year-olds and 19-year-olds.

Scenario 2: Characters with canon ages that are underaged, but appear as adults
Examples: Filia (http://skullgirls.com/wp-content/themes/skullgirls/images/characters/filia.png), Rikku (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080710032808/finalfantasy/images/6/64/Rikku.jpg), Miko Mido (http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/polloption/miko-mido-17240.jpg)

Oddly enough one of these is a hentai character who is 16. Either way you couldn't really draw them another way that “ages” them up because they already have adult bodies.
By the way, characters that are over 18 but appear under 18 should be obvious. Shippo and those immortal children are still children.

Scenario 3: Ambiguous things that couldn't even be attributed to being like adults OR kids
Examples: Sonic characters, Digimon, Pokemon and so on

Whether or not they have canon ages there's just a lot of things that I wouldn't even attribute with being like a person. I guess toon porn and chibi porn falls into it too.

Scenario 4: Robots
Oh baby (http://robothousecomix.tumblr.com/image/32496572303)

Fay V
10-06-2012, 02:00 PM
In terms of sonic artwork, we have artists that are familiar with the style and can usually see if the artwork is using the more adult proportions of the style or not. We will not be restricting sonic content, unless the image uses the clearly child characters (tails, cream, etc) or makes an effort to portray the characters as children.

In regards to the ambiguous issues presented. There is no clear black and white perfect answer. The purpose of this policy is so we will absolutely have no problems with US or some international laws, and we can continue to work with successful businesses that allow us to offer better service, which means we are attempting to meet their standards.

Please note however this is one of our most seriously regarded policies, any confirmation that an adult image appears to contain children must be confirmed by at least three admins, and any removal of an image can be appealed to the department to be discussed.

For ambiguous non-canon characters we will be looking at the style and comparing the features to adults and children in the same style.

Canon ages but appear adult is iffy. We are looking for clearly prepubescent characters, and many of the close aged characters simply appear as adults, with absolutely nothing to indicate they are not. Due to problems with canon ages we don't really take them into account. However if the artist chooses to emphasize they are minors either in the description or the image somehow, then the image may be removed.

Ambiguous species like pokemon and digimon, for the most part they look like animals and age isn't easy to determine, so they aren't going to be restricted. HOWEVER the species is not a blanket exception. Drawing animals, pokemon, digimon, in a manner that makes them look like prepubescent children may lead to having the images removed.
Also with non-human species or feral style animals, images where the animal is clearly a cub or baby may be removed. This is be determined through animal anatomy (Simba looks like a lion cub) or through comparison with the other members of the species (baby pokemon vs adult, appearing smaller with more infant proportions)
we will not be playing close guessing games to differentiate the ages of lions as underage or not, simply if an animal is clearly represented as a baby of the species, the image may be removed.

Just again to note, we are looking to stop images with prepubescent children in mature images, we are not looking to mess with the users and make a series of complex rules dealing with 17 year olds being aged up to 18. To be confirmed as a child at least 3 admins need to believe it looks like a child, or is clearly intended to be a child, and even then images are only soft deleted and users allowed to appeal the decision of the admins.

These aren't black and white rules, we will take every image on a case by case basis, this is just some of the things that will flag an image to have it looked over by the admins and some reason why something may be selected as underage.

I hope this helped, in the near future we'll have an official guide laying out clearly what we are looking for.

Uini
10-06-2012, 03:29 PM
Wow this actually sounds incredibly reasonable! Thank you for at least a rough outline of what you will be looking for when it comes to that type of material. I recall hearing that FA had a complete line drawn of what could be drawn in porn, and from a distance it sounded completely obtuse.

Fay V
10-06-2012, 03:56 PM
Wow this actually sounds incredibly reasonable! Thank you for at least a rough outline of what you will be looking for when it comes to that type of material. I recall hearing that FA had a complete line drawn of what could be drawn in porn, and from a distance it sounded completely obtuse.

FA attempted a physical guide to show how to age up sonic characters, but that's largely dependent on style and how close to the sonic styles someone is drawing to. We aren't really going to do that because a lot does depend on style, and it would take years to give an accurate guide for any possible violating image.

Unburnt Daenerys
10-06-2012, 07:37 PM
@Fay V: That's a really good, sensible policy. The failure of the FA policy was that it attempted to clearly distinguish 17-year-olds from 18-year-olds and used an extremely specific style to do that. Weasyl policy sounds much easier to enforce and abide by.

Kayla
10-07-2012, 01:24 PM
Acceptable and reasonable. :)