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athdaraxen
04-07-2014, 06:53 PM
Redlines and advice are awesome. X3 Working on this simple pin-up, don't mind the face, I just drew something in so she didn't have a blank face. They weird me out. X3

I'm mostly just trying to fix her body and back. Any advice would be loved. <3

http://i57.tinypic.com/vq4qqx.jpg

Antumbra
04-07-2014, 07:23 PM
Hello! I'll see if I can offer some advice.

I would suggest working on the perspective on her shoulders and hips. Her far (her right) shoulder would be a little more hidden at that angle. I would also suggest rotating her arm. The current position looks uncomfortable because it is rare the elbow is facing that far inwards. Whenever I try to draw things like that, I tend to try and do the pose myself (to a point, and not in public ;))

Her legs are also at a bit of an odd angle. Her hips are at about a 3/4 angle, but both of her legs look to be going straight left.

Overall, great start and I totally agree with you about the blank faces. Its like slenderman is looking back at me.

athdaraxen
04-07-2014, 07:54 PM
How's this? A friend of mine on Twitter gave me some nudges in the right direction.

I agree with her elbow and I'm gonna keep tweaking that until its perfect. <3

Oh gosh I didn't even think of Slenderman, now its worse! X3 I always have to draw something or I don't even bother with a head. Which is never a good idea.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2vi0dj5.jpg

Antumbra
04-07-2014, 09:23 PM
I think it is definitely better! The only suggestion I would really have from here is to rotate her right foot to the right, keep it pointing in the same direction the leg is going.

athdaraxen
04-07-2014, 09:41 PM
Here, I just finished inking this. <3

http://i62.tinypic.com/20hold0.jpg

Antumbra
04-07-2014, 10:16 PM
I think it is looking much better! I would just suggest not drawing the hand so flat and don't forget that the decorations on the tail have to curve with the shape. The one closest to the tip looks a little flat.

Moogle
04-08-2014, 12:41 AM
I've lined a bit of this for you on what I think would look good, however the pose is a bit changed so I'm sorry if you wanted it more in the position you have originally (also I'm a bit late since you've already lined it, but I hope this helps in some way for future drawings at least :))

http://i.imgur.com/ssM8Ug1.png

The blue lines are the other arm, though I wasn't sure which way would look better so I kinda just put them in 2 positions heh :P The main things I noticed were how your arms, legs & tail were all over so it's hard to tell the ground that your characters on. The breasts I also think wouldn't show as much, however in the pose I did they really aren't noticeable (so yours isn't exactly wrong, I just think they wouldn't be sticking out as much). I also stretched the image a bit when I went over it since it was kinda squished. From the first pic you did it's definitely improved tho!

Edit: Aha! I just realized the lower back would be stretched on mine not curved with the way the shoulders are, o dang XD live & learn~

athdaraxen
04-08-2014, 01:06 AM
Wow that is some great linework. This is a definite help. I have a bad tendency to draw everything flat and I can definitely see that particular mistake thanks to these lines. Its something I can put on my get better list. To be honest the breast were because a friend said I had to because "boobs" as he put it. X3 I thought it was hilarious so I went with it.

But anyways, thank you so much for taking the time to do this, its extremely helpful and will be sure to take this with me into future pin-ups as I hope to do more. <3 They are very fun.

Here is the final version for you guys. I really took the time to do everything I could to bring out the lights and darks, I had some trouble the the head and I still feel its flat but I think with more practice I can do better.
https://www.weasyl.com/submission/559021

Again, thank you guys so much. If you want I would love to pick your brains about the shading.

Moogle
04-08-2014, 01:31 AM
You're most welcome, I'm glad I was of some help! :P LOL & "boobs" is a perfect reason to, well, draw boobs~ XDD For lighting and shade, I'm not overly experienced with that so I'll leave that to someone with more knowledge to fully answer. Personally however, I do all mine just by eye and how I think it'd reflect off a object/person, but you'll definitely need a light source (I can't really tell where that is in your finished piece). You can always test by taking a lamp and a shiny thing or something and shine it on it in multiple angles to study. :D

athdaraxen
04-08-2014, 01:36 AM
Boobs are pretty great lol.

And I tried to have the light source on the left corner but I guess I didn't pull it off quite right. Shading has always been a problem area for me but this is really one of my best shaded pieces. I'll definitely take your advice though, I've got enough dragon figures and things lying around, might as well make some use out of them as lighting studies. I honestly never thought to do such a thing before so thank you even more. <3

Antumbra
04-08-2014, 08:15 PM
I'm no expert on shading either, but Moogle's advice using actual objects to see how light reacts is a great idea. I would also suggest looking up how shadows and objects reflect colors around them. A common thing to do at first is to use black to shade and white to highlight, but if you add colors in it gives more depth.

athdaraxen
04-08-2014, 08:36 PM
That is actually why I want to go back to practicing with charcoal again. Its great for practicing that sort of thing. <3

And hey, I'm doing another one! This time a chubby hyena, my pal Lazer. X3
http://i58.tinypic.com/2rh69tu.jpg