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TeenageAngst
01-31-2014, 07:26 PM
I really love these topics. Last one we had involved people talking about chem trails and David Icke and someone brought up HAARP, oh god do I love those kooks. But this is for super serious conspiracies too. I'll start it off with my personal favorite:

9/11 Conspiracy

Official Story: 19 terrorists hijacked 4 jetliners on the morning of September 11th, 2001. These terrorists, members of Al-Qaeda, were organized by Osama Bin Ladin and other leaders out of Afghanistan. Two planes struck the twin towers in New York, causing massive fires that destroyed both in a fantastic collapse as well as an adjacent structure, WTC Building 7. One plane hit the Pentagon, and one plane was captured by the passengers and driven into the ground in Shanksville PA. In addition, envelopes of anthrax were sent to government officials containing the message "Death to America, death to Israel".

What people think: Pretty much the standard story, although the government is probably lying about some of the details.

What actually happened: …

I can't properly evaluate this as a conspiracy theory without everyone understanding just how ridiculously crazy the official story is. I have told people the official story, front to back, and they interpreted it as a conspiracy theory! So here is exactly what the government and history says happened:

Al-Qaeda began as a militant group organized by the CIA during the 1980s to prevent the Soviets from expanding their influence into the Afghanistan region. Their success was fantastic and a long, drawn out engagement with Soviet troops caused the Soviet army to withdraw with severe financial losses as well as many casualties. Being a proxy war, the CIA soon lost control over the Al-Qaeda militants and they quickly became a powerful force in the region, instating the Taliban as the main governing tribal body. Under the Taliban a united but decidedly anti-western Afghanistan was starting to take shape, which were red flags for American interests in the area. The final straw came in 2000 when the Taliban outlawed opium production, a primary source of CIA funding in the Middle East. Overnight the Golden Crescent dried up and the CIA was out billions in off the books revenue.

In their hatred for America, the terrorists planted 19 hijackers in American soil. These sleeper agents were activated before 9/11 and spent their time stateside in interesting ways. Partying, bar crawling, other things one would expect for men about to go on a suicide mission, complete with security and ATM camera footage. The terrorists packed their belongings, including a copy of the Quran among other things, in their suitcases for their final flight. Using boxcutters and other simple tools they took over the planes and flew them towards their respective targets. NORAD was scrambled, but at the time was taking place in wargaming exercises involving fake targets being placed on their radar, including the scenario of hijacked planes. In their confusion, the pilots could not react to the scramble order in time. There are conflicting reports as to whether or not Vice President Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD that day. The morning of 9/11 the first plane struck WTC tower 1 just before 9 o'clock. The plane smashed into the building, the jet fuel ignited, and everyone inside was incinerated instantly. The fire spread throughout several floors and began causing structural failure. Roughly an hour later a second plane hit the second WTC tower, the aluminium wings slicing through the solid steel girders on the outer face of the building and causing massive structural damage as well as igniting an inferno.

The third plane, headed for D.C., executed a 190 degree turn in mid air before smashing into the side of the Pentagon. The 737's wings collapsed upon hitting the structure's steel frame and left an enormous hole in the building. Fortunately this section of the Pentagon was under construction at the time and casualties were minimal for those inside. All security camera footage was confiscated and the black box was reported to have been destroyed on impact. To this day the security footage of nearby cameras which would have shown the plane striking the structure have not been released in spite of numerous freedom of information act attempts.

The fourth plane was taken over by the passengers who, realizing they were being hijacked, decided to overthrow their captors. They almost succeeded but the plane crashed into a field outside Shanksville PA, killing all inhabitants and destroying the black box onboard. However, an arabic bandana, a driver's license of a hijacker that had expired years prior, and a Quran were found among the wreckage.

The WTC towers 1 and 2, in spite of the fires beginning to die down, collapsed quickly into their own footprint in a pancake scenario. This was precluded by explosions occurring in the basement and ground floors of both buildings as testified by survivors, video recordings on scene, and emergency responders inside the structures. Due to the extreme damage from the collapse of the buildings, the adjacent building, WTC tower 7, also was damaged and set on fire where it eventually collapsed into its own footprint as well in spite of only one face having received structural damage. All black boxes to the planes were destroyed in the ensuing collapses. The intensity of the fire inside was enough to actually melt the steel of the buildings, leaving molten metal and "hot spots" in the base of the rubble for weeks after the collapse. However, among the wreckage the passport to a suspected hijacker was found and used as evidence. It did turn out though that the passport belonged to a man who was still alive and it has yet to be answered how it was recovered or what it was doing there.

WTC towers 1,2, and 7 are the only steel constructed buildings to be completely brought down by fire. Although other steel buildings were significantly damaged by fire in the past their steel cores held the structure in place, making the WTC event the only one which involved complete structural failure of the steel. Osama Bin Laden was identified as a possible subject no more than 5 minutes after the story broke. Severe asbestos reactions harmed numerous people and emergency responders after the collapse as the structures were in need of a complete safety overhaul that would have cost upwards of 2 billion dollars to complete. Days later envelopes of anthrax were mailed by terrorists to government officials, along with numerous hoax envelopes. This weapons grade anthrax was a specific strain traced back to a laboratory in New Jersey.

And there you have it. That's how 9/11 happened according to the U.S. government and I must say it's my favorite conspiracy theory of all. So post your favorites, I know you have your kooky stories you wanna share.

Brace
01-31-2014, 07:40 PM
What you just said is a blend of fact, fiction, and obfuscation and not really worthy of comment. There have been plenty of actual conspiracies throughout history. Conspiracy theories, however, are almost as a rule nonsensical. Basically the only ones I put any stock in are Lee Harvey Oswald being an NOC agent for the Soviets (after contacting a KGB assassination specialist at the Soviet Embassy in Cuba of his own volition) and the MLK assassination having been done by someone other than James Earl Ray (which the family agrees with). Regarding the second, my money is on the FBI via COINTELPRO. The FBI had engaged in assassination via that program before, albeit in less obvious ways.

But no, 9/11 was not a conspiracy. To the extent there ever are conspiracies, they're never that lofty. The world doesn't operate by X-Files logic.

Gamedog
01-31-2014, 07:41 PM
This is the best

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

TeenageAngst
01-31-2014, 07:41 PM
There's plenty of true conspiracies. Iran-Contra, MIC interference in military projects, Watergate, the Kennedy assassination, you name it lol

Edit:


This is the best

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

I love that theory, have you heard of the one about the expanding earth? They think the earth was at one point much smaller and that it's been gradually expanding over billions of years.

Daisy La Liebre
01-31-2014, 07:43 PM
I am the One True God, resting deep in a void of nothingness and the universe and all of its inhabitants are part of my imagination.

Daisy loves you.

(I'm pretty sure this is how cults get started)

TealMoon
01-31-2014, 07:55 PM
Just about everything from eyes, owls, clocks, triangles arrows and the number 6 appearing in media are secret symbols put there by the illuminati and the reptilians.
Who apparently have infiltrated everything and are taking over using technology and satanic powers. :I

TeenageAngst
01-31-2014, 07:57 PM
Here's some more true ones, COINTELPRO was used to infiltrate and discredit all kinds of American political groups, particularly anti-war and civil rights groups.

http://youtu.be/SNcf3vEGWFg

http://youtu.be/eE-JOdzOqxs

What's scary is COINTELPRO is just what we know was going on. For every MKULTRA or PROJECT ARTICHOKE or PROJECT PAPERCLIP there's tons we don't know about.

TealMoon
01-31-2014, 08:09 PM
How about Polybius? :3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius_(video_game)

Gamedog
01-31-2014, 08:29 PM
I love that theory, have you heard of the one about the expanding earth? They think the earth was at one point much smaller and that it's been gradually expanding over billions of years.

Never heard of that one, but it doesn't sound nearly as insane as Hollow Earth theory lol

Ruggy
01-31-2014, 09:20 PM
I dunno about y'all, but I love shit like this:

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His voice is just so weird and lilting, I keep expecting him to crack up and say, "haha nahhh, for real, I'm just shittin' you guys" but he keeps going and he is serious.

piñardilla
01-31-2014, 10:47 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6641327647_c9538a70cc_o.jpg

Letter sent to MLK Jr. by the FBI urging him to commit suicide before accepting the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize.

Gamedog
01-31-2014, 11:23 PM
Letter sent to MLK Jr. by the FBI urging him to commit suicide before accepting the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize.

What... why?

piñardilla
01-31-2014, 11:49 PM
What... why?

So, in that era, the Civil Rights movement was not looked upon favorably by the powers that be. Everyone that was powerful in American politics was white, for obvious reasons, and the civil rights leaders had the support of socialist movements, who the feds were even more concerned about.

Basically, MLK Jr. was pretty much considered an enemy of the state at the time. Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were as well, and COINTELPRO deliberately tried to radicalize them to erode any sympathy they had, which likely was a contributing factor to how the Black Panthers ended up.

Gamedog
01-31-2014, 11:51 PM
Jesus :/
I read a bit about it on Wikipedia as well, that is some scary shit.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 12:04 AM
Since I mentioned the Black Panthers, I should also mention the infamous Black Panther Coloring Book (http://www3.nd.edu/~dmyers/courses/old/102au98/blpan.html). A shittily-Xeroxed coloring book full of extremely violent pictures urging black people to kill cops that was purportedly produced by the Black Panthers and "mistakenly" ended up getting distributed to a lot of whites' mailboxes. It was actually produced by COINTELPRO to discredit the Black Panthers and make them look like they were out to kill whites indiscriminately.

http://www3.nd.edu/~dmyers/courses/old/102au98/blpan4.GIF
http://www3.nd.edu/~dmyers/courses/old/102au98/blpan5.GIF

Krespo
02-01-2014, 01:05 AM
Since I mentioned the Black Panthers, I should also mention the infamous Black Panther Coloring Book (http://www3.nd.edu/~dmyers/courses/old/102au98/blpan.html). A shittily-Xeroxed coloring book full of extremely violent pictures urging black people to kill cops that was purportedly produced by the Black Panthers and "mistakenly" ended up getting distributed to a lot of whites' mailboxes. It was actually produced by COINTELPRO to discredit the Black Panthers and make them look like they were out to kill whites indiscriminately.

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Dear lord I know that coloring book is terrible but I must have it.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 01:07 AM
Dear lord I know that coloring book is terrible but I must have it.

Print one off. Won't be any less authentic than the originals (when I say shittily-Xeroxed I mean it).

Krespo
02-01-2014, 01:23 AM
Print one off. Won't be any less authentic than the originals (when I say shittily-Xeroxed I mean it).

I'm cool with collecting racist propaganda (propaganda is an interest of mine c:), but printing it off myself seems weird for some reason.

Batty Krueger
02-01-2014, 02:23 AM
These topics are over ten years old, get some new material.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 02:27 AM
These topics are over ten years old, get some new material.

They're conspiracies that have been demonstrated with evidence to have actually happened, of course they're old.

There's nothing to show for any currently ongoing conspiracies, for obvious reasons.

Gamedog
02-01-2014, 03:19 AM
They're conspiracies that have been demonstrated with evidence to have actually happened, of course they're old.

There's nothing to show for any currently ongoing conspiracies, for obvious reasons.

The newest conspiracy I've seen is the Sandy Hook one :/

Brace
02-01-2014, 10:25 AM
They're conspiracies that have been demonstrated with evidence to have actually happened, of course they're old.

There's nothing to show for any currently ongoing conspiracies, for obvious reasons.

It's safe to assume that there are COINTELPRO-alike's for current social justice issues. Except for gay shit. The establishment loves gays. I mean, can you imagine if the buses the freedom riders rode on were plastered with corporate sponsor logos? Yeah, me neither. Go to a pride festival though and it's all "brought to you by Budweiser, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan, Carl's Jr...".

Greg
02-01-2014, 11:29 AM
Go to a pride festival though and it's all "brought to you by Budweiser, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan, Carl's Jr...".

Literally all the white guys at my work are gay and I fucking love it omg

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 06:42 PM
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/st02.pdf

That's always one that's particularly interesting to me, considering ARTICHOKE and the various COINTELPRO projects were never really fully investigated. The entire operation of the CIA and FBI, how they think and work and stuff all dates back to the weird intelligence programs of WWII though. You had a bunch of generals and psychwar people in these boys clubs that would work together to spread propaganda among other divisions, even to congressmen. If you wanna know what I mean have a look at this video:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/1003-16.wmv

This guy's main schtick is the holocaust, which is another interesting conspiracy theory but not really what I'm getting at right now so you can ignore his comments about it. What's interesting is how the Psychological Warfare division, soon to be the CIA, used myths and existing preconceived notions about the Germans and the camps to their advantage. The last time I made a topic about this, someone else mentioned that most conspiracy theories that are valid are not even attempted to be covered up by the government because doing so might lend them unwanted credence, and this is sort of in the same vein but in the opposite direction. The government goes out of their way to provide evidence and support rumors they find useful. That's really what was going on with the Black Panther coloring book and other such things during the 1950s-1970s where there were lots of rumors but not a lot of factual information or evidence about what these "fringe" political groups were doing.

Whymzee
02-01-2014, 06:53 PM
I LOVE CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

The only reason I like them is because the stories some people come up with can be really interesting and inspiring. My favorites are the old "Moon Landing Never Happened", and I've heard recently that the Sandy Hook shooting was staged and Michael Jackson's still alive. lol

On that note, keep in mind that some conspiracy theories (I mean the outrageous lazers on the moon kind, not the real kind that actually becomes proven) can be very believable still. I know some people who believe the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, but proper research can reveal evidence that makes the 'official' story make more and more sense rather than lending credibility to theories.

I saw a movie once about deception and the ways that filmmakers like the ones who made Loose Change can lie through their teeth and manage to sell those lies - sometimes it's as simple as creating your own 'documentary'. I linked it below, it's really interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAmGnyj0u7E

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 06:57 PM
Actually, I do have to take that back in light of one current event in particular. The Chris Christie bridge lane closure conspiracy is simultaneously horrifying and hilarious in how incredibly petty it was. Now David Wildstein's attorney has said he has evidence of Christie of being in on it (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html), which should come as a surprise to no one.

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 07:07 PM
See I don't think that's so much a conspiracy as it is Republicans being Republicans.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 07:12 PM
See I don't think that's so much a conspiracy as it is Republicans being Republicans.

The governor's staff coordinating a reduction of the busiest bridge in the world to a single lane in order to dick over a Democratic part of the state under the guise of a "traffic study" qualifies as a conspiracy in my book. But at the same time, it is very much Republicans being Republicans. They're hardly mutually exclusive.

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 07:17 PM
If this happened in, say, Massachusetts or Maine or Oregon or something like that I could understand a conspiracy. But this happened in Jersey, under Christie, in order to dick over the Democrats. That's not so much a conspiracy as a "well duh". It's kind of like how I almost don't consider Colin Powell's little speech to the U.N. over Iraq a conspiracy since he was working for the Bush administration and pushing for war in a 3rd world Middle Eastern nation. OF COURSE he was lying, there was no way he COULDN'T lie about something!

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 07:35 PM
It was a secret, coordinated plan to directly harm the constituents of Democratic politicians in the state, not as a matter of policy but mere petty revenge. In what way is that not a conspiracy?

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 07:48 PM
I think it all boils down to your interpretation of New Jersey and the people therein.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 07:51 PM
I think it all boils down to your interpretation of New Jersey and the people therein.

Alright, so Jersey is known for its petty, spiteful assholes. I get that. What's significant about the bridge scandal though is that it was a coordinated, secret effort with ill intent. That's pretty much the definition of what a conspiracy is.

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 07:55 PM
Pineapple head I'm being sarcastic. Of course it's a conspiracy.

piñardilla
02-01-2014, 08:03 PM
:\ There's no telling with you much of the time.

TeenageAngst
02-01-2014, 08:12 PM
I'm thinking I need a codeword or something to clue people into when I'm being sarcastic about things because I'm willing to bet my entire evil reputation would instantly evaporate if people could tell the difference.

Although it is kinda funny when people actually believe things I say are true, like how if a conspiracy occurs within the state lines of New Jersey it's automatically assumed to be SOP for the government.

FatalSyndrome
02-03-2014, 12:05 AM
how about polybius? :3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/polybius_(video_game)

yehehehessss

Ibuuyk
02-03-2014, 12:12 AM
That's what the government wants you to think.

TeenageAngst
02-03-2014, 12:15 PM
I'd like to mention that actually discussing conspiracy theories is dirty business for me for one big reason; it's downright morbid. Most theories involve, nay, necessitate discussing enormous losses of human life in practical and almost dismissive manners. Nowhere is this more applicable than holocaust denial, where piles of dead bodies are used as props for a film or for forced camp showings, but also 9/11 when you discuss the structures that ended up killing thousands in NYC, the terrorists who the heinous acts were attributed to, etc. I often find myself stopping and just thinking, "man this is fucked up. I just calculated the body density of a mass grave."

Torrijos_sama
04-21-2014, 10:07 PM
Everything that Interscope Records has ever done, ever.

I am a pagan. For a very long period of time, I felt that I believed in nothing, yet I still harbored this belief that I had to venerate my ancestors, and i've had a lifelong appreciation and love of nature (leading to my involvement in Scouting, eventually attaining Eagle Scout and remaining involved with my troop heavily from the age of 11 until 19), and at some point, I realized that there was something else, sorta. I've always been interested in psychology, and I began to read a variety of studies into pagan religions, and esotericism, and eventually converted full on after beginning to date my woman, a wiccan.

I've also loved music, and played piano from the age of 5 until the age of 14, and loved any allusions to classical music, and any arrangement that involves keyboards, organs, or synths.

As Lady Gaga and other artists began to heavily popularize electronic instruments, arrangements of classical melodies, and other things I loved in music, I began to appreciate some of their work as artists (even if most of it is smut). Then, I watched the music videos.

Rather than seeing some sort of invocation of German impressionist films, or the French New Wave, or the New Wave music/imagery of the 80's, I began to see something much darker. Namely, I began to notice that every single Lady Gaga video had allusions to Aleister Crowley, Thelema, and other allusions to ancient religions. As I did more research, I began to realize that Lady Gaga, and many other artists, are essentially attempting to establish rituals and mass spells on their many inept followers.

The actual power of spells, and magic for that matter, is all psychological. The human subconscious picks up on symbols and archetypes and imagery, to the point that utilizing interactions between such things can leave a lasting impression on the subconscious mind, to the point of instilling feelings of respect, to fear, to anger, or feelings of pseudo-enlightenment for consciously recognizing what is so blatant in the music videos. When individuals such as Lady Gaga, or all the folks down at Interscope records are pushing a sort of image for their artists and the content of music videos, it is, in my eyes, cheap demagoguery on the behalf of their company. They are, along with Disney, pushing this weird-ass agenda that seems to be obsessed with promoting their own power and brand appeal entirely through subconscious fear and appeals to emotion, pseudo-intellectual people, and people like my brother (Merchant Marine academy appointed people who have said things like 'I want to be a part of the illuminati because they seem like pretty badass people'), who are literally the W's and pawns in powerful positions that individuals pursuing hidden agendas so deeply desire.

If you want some more takes on it, check out Vigilant Citizen
(http://vigilantcitizen.com/)
It's just a website of crazy people that do nothing but catalog this sort of stuff.

But, yeah. That is my main conspiracy theory. Something big enough to be relevant to people's lives, but not be as big of a deal as shit with the government is.