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xyloart
01-24-2014, 12:36 AM
Happy with the bust on this but something weird is going on with the legs. Haaaalp

NSFW: tasteful nude (angel) https://www.weasyl.com/submission/395399

Tiamat
01-24-2014, 12:55 AM
We should not be able to see the crotch area at all with that angle and pose. :)
Did you have any references for this?

xyloart
01-24-2014, 01:04 AM
I lazily posed a little in the mirror. XD CROTCH ERASED

Tiamat
01-24-2014, 01:11 AM
I lazily posed a little in the mirror. XD CROTCH ERASED

No, thats not lazy at all. Thats actually a great way to nail poses. Its more than a lot of other people do. Keep on using that.
Only problem of course is you need to remember the pose if you don't have a mirror right next to you. You can always use the mirror in conjunction with reference material.

xyloart
01-24-2014, 01:26 AM
Thank you for the tips! :)

Sammacha
01-24-2014, 01:44 AM
Lol a mirror is a great tool! Hes right about the crotch,
And I think you should also turn the hips out a bit more
I also feel like the front leg is bit too long compared to the back leg. Fore shortening is quite difficult.
I would be happy to give it a try and redline the drawing for you if you like, tomorrow though as I'm getting ready for bed now.

xyloart
01-24-2014, 01:46 AM
Okay edited the submission file. Crotch gone, thigh shortened, and some of the angles of the chest changed slightly. Not touching this with paint until ALL THINGS PERFECT. Hopefully tomorrow I'll still love it instead of suddenly hate it. XD

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Lol a mirror is a great tool! Hes right about the crotch,
And I think you should also turn the hips out a bit more
I also feel like the front leg is bit too long compared to the back leg. Fore shortening is quite difficult.
I would be happy to give it a try and redline the drawing for you if you like, tomorrow though as I'm getting ready for bed now.
I just saw the thigh thing too! Great minds etc. etc. If you want to redline it that'd be cool but if you don't have time that's cool too. :)

Rory
01-24-2014, 02:06 AM
Hmm... I think her left forearm is a bit short in comparison. It keeps bugging my eye and drawing me back to it. That's about all the advice/opinion I can offer at this level. :P Now if it were coloring and shading...

xyloart
01-24-2014, 02:16 AM
Hmm... I think her left forearm is a bit short in comparison. It keeps bugging my eye and drawing me back to it. That's about all the advice/opinion I can offer at this level. :P Now if it were coloring and shading...

I either fixed it or made it worse! :D D:

Sammacha
01-24-2014, 02:24 AM
Okay edited the submission file. Crotch gone, thigh shortened, and some of the angles of the chest changed slightly. Not touching this with paint until ALL THINGS PERFECT. Hopefully tomorrow I'll still love it instead of suddenly hate it. XD

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I just saw the thigh thing too! Great minds etc. etc. If you want to redline it that'd be cool but if you don't have time that's cool too. :)

O ha ha well it looks better already, however i can easily suggest with my tablet that the line going from the thigh to calf muscle (behind the knee) should be more rounded, and not so harsh. I feel like it would also give a nicer overall flow to that area.
Not to lose the shape of the thigh muscle but to connect the skin of the thigh and the calf.
Ill have a look tomorrow and see where you at, then Ill decide if red lining will do any good anymore lol.

I would also change the angle of the feet to be slightly outwards, i thinkn making the on in the back smaller might help. I feel the problem is an angle thing. I have suffered this issues many times xD

xyloart
01-24-2014, 02:33 AM
Ah yes yes I see what you're saying. I'll work on those things tomorrow for sure. For now though...I snooze!

Sammacha
01-24-2014, 03:33 PM
Hi Xylo
I've tried red lining your picture, please bare with me as I have not done such things for a long time ( a few years or more D: )

Also I know you are happy with the upper body, which would look great on its own, however I I think you need to look at the image a Whole. Not only whats wrong with the legs, but how can I make the overall image mesh when I change the legs to match.

So what I have done is shown your original picture and drawn some arrows indicating things I might change right off the bat if this was my picture.

Then I've shown the quick sketch of the changes I've made on its own and then over your drawing.
I did stand in front of a mirror to get a feel for what I was drawing but I'm not sure its the exact pose you were going for. Either way I think some of the suggestions may help with your overall drawing.
Feel free to ask me about any changes that I have made, ad of course you can offer suggestions to mine as well.

I will say for certain that I felt your angel was a bit, um, unbalanced as it seemed hunched over slightly. Im my version I had straightened her a bit, it looked a bit odd to me but also you are using paper, and I do this often on paper, as I sometimes draw an at angle. This make sit looks odd when displayed at a perfect right angle, lol.


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee178/sammacha/red%20line/Xyloart-angel-pose_zps7660ecd0.jpg nsfw
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee178/sammacha/red%20line/Xyloart-angel-pose2_zpsd9166fca.jpg nsfw
(I can send you the large file as it seems photo bucket has compressed it, I didn't remember it doing that :/ )

So I've slightly straightened her posture, pulled her shoulder up, and pushed leg/knee inwards and straightened the leg. I think this solves the issue of the thigh being too long and the calf looking a bit out of place. Also changing the position of the feet seemed to help, but this is the way I actually stand, so that might be why its different.

Overall I think you did a great job as this is not a simple pose to achieve.

Ps: i understand being limited by the paper size as the feet are at the bottom, but I do think you could tweak the image to fit as mine is not going to be perfect nor it is the way that you yourself draw. I hope it gives you an idea of what you would like to change in your own image.

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Mod Edit: changed images to NSFW links due to breasts.

xyloart
01-24-2014, 04:19 PM
Oh my gosh thank you for doing that! That is so helpful! You are right on all counts and I can't wait to get home to work on her. I really like the way your method is for seeming to figure out the proper angles...she looks so much more stable now, and confident. I wish I had more of a response for all the great help you've given but my thanks will perhaps show better once I have a chance to fix up my drawing tonight. (I am at work and I don't think they'd appreciate my working on it right now though I am itching to get back to it...)

Sammacha
01-24-2014, 07:49 PM
Oh my gosh thank you for doing that! That is so helpful! You are right on all counts and I can't wait to get home to work on her. I really like the way your method is for seeming to figure out the proper angles...she looks so much more stable now, and confident. I wish I had more of a response for all the great help you've given but my thanks will perhaps show better once I have a chance to fix up my drawing tonight. (I am at work and I don't think they'd appreciate my working on it right now though I am itching to get back to it...)

You're welcome.
I think the my way of figuring out the angles is not really the best method but it works for me.
Sometimes it helps if I think of the body as made of boxes instead of circles and ovals. Boxes are all straight lines so it helps me line things up. With the way it would connect I move things up or down etc. Then I convert them to circle shapes, well kind of. It works in my mind lol.
I'll be happy to see what it looks like later :)

xyloart
01-25-2014, 12:33 AM
Okay! I had a glass of wine and made the edits. The wine was an integral part. :P I think it looks a lot better now but if you catch anything else let me know!

Sammacha
01-25-2014, 01:16 AM
Hmm, well I think that it looks quite a bit better. I might play with the size of the hands and make them a bit bigger, but that might be me thinking more along the lines of a harpie.
Either way, I think that the legs don't feel nearly as awkward as they did in the beginning and the pose overall is great. she looks much more sturdy and it seems more natural.

There my be a few tweaks I would make but I think its pretty good overall. Is there anything in particular that is bothering you?

xyloart
01-25-2014, 01:35 AM
No you're right on the hands; I smacked them on her face in my head and they were too small. Edited the front foot a little too. Other than that I think I'm satisfied! Thank you again so much for all of your help. Hopefully I won't ruin it when I paint it!

Sammacha
01-25-2014, 01:51 AM
I'm sure it will be fine, I will be happy to see the final result.
And your welcome, glad I was able to help
:)

xyloart
01-27-2014, 09:27 PM
Decided to do a companion piece, Devil
NSFW tasteful nudity https://www.weasyl.com/submission/418960/devil-sketch

Sammacha
01-28-2014, 12:52 AM
Decided to do a companion piece, Devil
NSFW tasteful nudity https://www.weasyl.com/submission/418960/devil-sketch

Thats cool, um, I hope I'm not bothering you by replying again -.-;
but...
I think you could tilt her left hip up more, with that tilt the left shoulder down just a teeny bit
change the angle of right knee just a little bit to the left and move the foot to match.
When you do a pose like this remember the side which foot is in front will be straighter down the body because its more stretched compared to the other side which is scrunched up a little bit.
I can offer to red line tomorrow night if you're not sure what I mean.
I think this one is a little better then the last in that its already looking quite sturdy. Just a better starting point imo, you improved already yay~
:)

xyloart
01-28-2014, 02:07 AM
Ahhhhh I already colored it oh no! Thank you anyway; I see what you are saying. :)

Sammacha
01-28-2014, 09:23 PM
Ahhhhh I already colored it oh no! Thank you anyway; I see what you are saying. :)


Ohhh I'm too late, well those things are quite minor and I think it looks pretty good anyhow :D

xyloart
01-28-2014, 10:52 PM
Thanks! Yeah I get impatient and want to paint things right away; it's a problem!

xyloart
01-29-2014, 12:27 AM
Working on this for the JJGo podcast now.

https://www.weasyl.com/~xyloart/submission/424787/xyloart-the-flight-of-the-raptor-the-sting-of-the-asp-1503772.jpg

Sammacha
01-29-2014, 02:27 AM
I love the wings!
I would suggest that since the left leg is at an angle to the right one they should be a different heights. And maybe his mouth could be open a bit? you drew the beak kind of normally, which means no space for the tongue to do that IMO.

xyloart
01-29-2014, 12:14 PM
Okay I think I fixed it!

https://www.weasyl.com/~xyloart/submission/424787/xyloart-the-flight-of-the-raptor-the-sting-of-the-asp-1508913.jpg