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Mayhem
03-14-2013, 08:37 PM
I was curious and I think it would be interesting to discuss this and see what people think.

What kind of art forum should this be? As I said I have been on quite a few different art forums before.

I have forums that focus on learning and education. Driving artist to become better artists. These types usually have really active friendly mods that help artists down paths they want to go and give them as much resource as they can find.
Although the down side to this type I have seen is that some mods go overboard with it. Megatokyo art forums all but shut down. Rules such as you have to spend at least 2 hours of work on anything you work on before posting and other really strict rules kinda ruined the fun over there. Couldnt even post sketches to see what people think.

I have been on forums that let the users basically do everything they want. These are usually very active or die out due to no focus. Other than enforcing the rules set people just do whatever they want.

I think my favorite forums I have been on had sections really divided and each section somehow bloomed into its own thing. It just had great forum mods per section that motivated each section to do what that section was themed. Art section had games, challenges, tutorials, art battles (Which I might resurrect here at some point), and stuff like that led by the mods. Which when led by the mods = a little more control and ability to modify the OP to keep everyone updated and informed.

Just thought opening this discussion would be fun and also would get to see where the moderators want to go with it. Also to see what other input people may have into this.

Nightpaws
03-14-2013, 08:48 PM
I think this should remain as is - a general forum for members of the site to socialise, unwind, and have a bit of fun. But also a place to communicate with Staff, suggest improvements, and highlight issues too.

Forums are great in that they allow this sort of structuring, and so long as it's not divided up into too many categories, and the rules don't bludgeon any ideas for conversation, then pretty much any forum can thrive :).

The forum rules are simple and clear, and so long as they stay like that I don't see there being any problems here.

Sparky15756
03-14-2013, 09:53 PM
I believe that art forums should be mainly for art but there should also be a section for general talk too, as not all members will be artistic. Speaking from experience of forums, ten years in fact.

MapleTerror
03-14-2013, 11:05 PM
If you're talking about the Art Section of the forum. Art General & Writing and literature, could use a few categories to encourage some activities. Such as seeking partners and groups with similar interests or skill levels. Then there's a whole mess of other things, which I won't go into detail atm...

It'll be best to make changes when the forum has grown more, or when there's a need for it.
I wouldn't worry about forum clutter, so long as categories are kept few and remain broad in purpose/use.


It never hurts to get the ball rolling, and feed the demand for such things.

Tiger
03-15-2013, 12:24 AM
To be honest, I am liking the forums as they are. I don't think it would be the same if it were completely art-centric. We have many different sections with all kinds of topics and everyone can fall into a niche of certain sub-forums and threads that really interest them. By having these categories people can meet and talk to people with common interests or discuss things amongst members of all opinions.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone here is an artist. The forums are full of all kinds of people. I feel it's good for the forums to provide a strong user experience by offering so many topics that might not be discussed on a completely art-centric forum. That being side, the Weasyl forum does have an art section with four sub-forums which I believe all offer a lot of help and sharing. It'll probably grow even larger as time goes on.

Keep in mind if there's anything you'd like to share, you can always start your own thread and go from there! ;) You have listed some activity ideas that sound promising to me, feel free to start up any threads or activities you like.

Lastly, keep in mind that the forums only just opened in July. As someone who has been here since the day they opened, I can honestly say that it has been very cool and interesting to watch the forums grow over all these months. I do know what you mean by talking about certain mods for certain sections, but at this point we don't have enough members/mods/sections to warrant needing that just yet. But trust me when I say the forums are certainly growing, and maybe in the (probably kind of far) future that kind of organization is appropriate. For now, I think the forums are looking good and going in a great direction. :)

Onnes
03-15-2013, 01:18 AM
I'd think the major focus of the site at present would just be encouraging greater participation. Given the small current size of the forums there's nothing to really be gained from any sort of focus, since the resulting issue is not one of noise but lack of signal to begin with. Maybe issues will appear with a more significant userbase, but I certainly wouldn't bet on one's ability to predict them ahead of time.

Mayhem
03-15-2013, 10:41 AM
Just because the forum decides it wants to be more artistic or more just as it is wouldn't mean it would have to change any rules. I think that it really boils down to forum mods taking the lead and actively takibg part in the sections that they are over. This forum is off an art site. For artists. I know that there will be people around that aren't artists of course. Also when I am talking about artists I am talking about musicians and writers too.

Yea I plan on starting a few things but I have to find out who is in charge of certain sections. Activites can get derailed pretty fast sometimes without them.

Keeping all that in mind I just thought a discussion about where it might like to go. Encouraging a certain type of atmosphere ussually helps a forum grow. Most the section basically will have thier own goals and such. Like general chat being the go to place to just relax and do nothing.
Marketplace having helpful miss and posts locked to help people know how to promote, sell, and advertise.
Wish we had a tutorial section ran by a mod. I might run one that is updated if a mod doesn't by this weekend.
Art section being decided to help arts know where to post what and encouragement to improve self.

Just a few thoughts. Ran out of lunchbreak on my phone.

Tiger
03-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Just because the forum decides it wants to be more artistic or more just as it is wouldn't mean it would have to change any rules. I think that it really boils down to forum mods taking the lead and actively takibg part in the sections that they are over. This forum is off an art site. For artists. I know that there will be people around that aren't artists of course. Also when I am talking about artists I am talking about musicians and writers too.

I understand that this is a forum off an art site, but that doesn't mean the forums can't cater to people other than artists. A large amount of the activity on the forums is not in the art section but in all of the other sections as well. Having multiple sections in the forums give everyone an opportunity to talk about what they want. I think if this were specifically an art forum we might not have as much activity because we'd cut out peoples' topics to discuss and it would reduce the forum members to strictly artists, which I feel would be unfair. This forum is meant for everyone.

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Yea I plan on starting a few things but I have to find out who is in charge of certain sections. Activites can get derailed pretty fast sometimes without them.

Again, having mods in charge of certain sections isn't necessary right now. When have many more members, many more threads, and a lot of activity, then we can bring in more mods to help. Right now, it seems to me like the moderation on the forums is going well. And if anything gets out of hand, members can use the report buttons on posts or e-mail support@weasyl.com for any difficulties.




Keeping all that in mind I just thought a discussion about where it might like to go. Encouraging a certain type of atmosphere ussually helps a forum grow. Most the section basically will have thier own goals and such. Like general chat being the go to place to just relax and do nothing.
Marketplace having helpful miss and posts locked to help people know how to promote, sell, and advertise.
Wish we had a tutorial section ran by a mod. I might run one that is updated if a mod doesn't by this weekend.
Art section being decided to help arts know where to post what and encouragement to improve self.


Just a few thoughts. Ran out of lunchbreak on my phone.[/QUOTE]

Right, each section has its own purpose. Some people may like discussing, let's say, laptops, then they can post in the Technology section. Or if someone loves to bake, they can post in the Lifestyles & Hobbies section. Every section of the forum offers different discussions, which is another reason why making this forum completely art-centric might not be very effective- not as many discussions about anything other than art. Don't get me wrong, I completely encourage being active in the Art Section, I'm just saying having other sections to post in is very important for a healthy forum.

As far as mods go, I've covered that a bit earlier in this post. You can go ahead and start that tutorial thread yourself; generally you don't need permission from a mod or being directly monitored by a mod to start a thread. If you're unsure how to start off that thread or whatnot, you're always welcome to message a moderator and they can help you out. :)

Mayhem
03-15-2013, 12:19 PM
I have modderated a few forums before and led a log art threads before. I think I can handle posti g it. Me handling it wasn't the reason I was wanton.g a mod to do it. I don't yet know the setting on this site but most forums have it disabled to edit your posts when they become too old. Not sure if that's the case or not. Second reason I was waiting is because someone already started the thread and it got stickied but now one is updating it at all.

I would like to see other people thoughts on this subject though. Are you speaking for all the miss or is this your personal feelings on the subject?
I don't think the whole forum should be focused on art. But I think whatever part of the forum we talk about should be focused to what it is.
So your thoughts would have the moderators not lead but just take part and correct problems as they arise?

MapleTerror
03-15-2013, 12:20 PM
I believe Mayhem is discussing activities members can partake in, as well as guidelines. Not so much as to change the forum, but to bring up possibilities on the artsy side of things, and encourage them for the future.



Yea I plan on starting a few things but I have to find out who is in charge of certain sections. Activites can get derailed pretty fast sometimes without them.


Taking initiative is always a good start, though I don't think you need support of the mods to get things going. I'm sure if you give basic guidelines/requirements when you start out, things will go smoothly. If things do get to bumpy there's many ways to resolve conflicts.