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Shiko
03-08-2013, 04:38 PM
Alright. So I bought my PC a little over a year ago. But I have noticed that since then... my computer hasn't been the same. For example. I bought Guild Wars 2, was extremely excited about playing the game; I get into the game and I'm lagging so bad I had to stop. I went back into the game and put everything that pertains to graphics all the way down and I was still only getting about 6 fps.

I am personally thinking that I may need a New Processor. Mine was only a Dual to begin with, but it served me well for awhile. Then about 2 weeks later I load an update for World of Warcraft and I press "play" on the launcher and it said something similar to "your graphics card is out of date, are you sure you want to proceed?"

Now this bothers me. I know my PC wasn't top notch. I actually was planning on building my computer from newegg.com and had all the parts picked out, but finances stopped that quickly. So I guess what I am wanting to know... is How do I figure out what Processor and Graphics card my Tower can hold? How do I figure out of the Card and processor are compatible? and at this point...would it just be better to get a whole new tower?

(I as well know I may have to get a bigger power supply as I'm currently only running on a 350)


On a Side Note: Could my issue be caused by something other than what I stated?

Nightpaws
03-08-2013, 06:11 PM
What sort of hardware are you running on just now?

Ibuuyk
03-08-2013, 07:06 PM
Look up your motherboard, that way you'll know what GPU/CPU/PSU/WhatevU it's compatible with.

Shiko
03-08-2013, 08:15 PM
@Nightpaws

I simply looked up my DxDiag
System Information
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Time of this report: 2/8/2013, 15:33:07
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC.
System Model: CM1730/CM1830
BIOS: BIOS Date: 04/13/11 16:46:35 Ver: 04.01
Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1065T Processor (6 CPUs), ~2.9GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 7936MB RAM
Page File: 4024MB used, 11843MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode

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Display Devices
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Card name: AMD 760G
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9616)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9616&SUBSYS_83881043&REV_00
Display Memory: 3064 MB
Dedicated Memory: 252 MB
Shared Memory: 2811 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: HP 2311 Series Wide LCD Monitor
Monitor Model: HP 2311
Monitor Id: HWP2939
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)


&&& @Ibuuyk

I honestly completely forgot how to look those things up. :[ But thank you for letting me know how to check to see what can or could be compatable.

Nightpaws
03-08-2013, 09:33 PM
From some googling, the only thing there that seems to be a bit naff is the AMD 760G graphics chipset. From my limited knowledge of hardware, that's onboard graphics, and no matter how hard you try to flog them, onboard graphics can't do games.

Do you have another graphics card installed? Because from the look of that, if you do, it's not being used.


(I may be completely wrong, the last time I did any hardware work I was building a business use HP computer with 256MB RAM and a floppy drive)

Ibuuyk
03-08-2013, 10:18 PM
Yeeeaaah, the GPU should be changed. So should the CPU (if you wanna play modern games on the highest settings, that is. You could still play 'em in low-medium if you changed only the GPU). The RAM is more than enough, and you should download Slimdrivers Lite and update your drivers.

Your mobo should be fine for any CPU you might get, as it can handle AM3. But the real question is, how big is your case? Is it standard or one of those mini/micro all-in-one thingies that you can't upgrade without swearing and gasping for air and/or space?

EDIT: Wait no nvm, the mobo is a bit old and you might not be able to have a decent GPU on it.

My verdict is you should get a new computer altogether if you don't know how to install a motherboard, since it'd save you time and maybe even money since you need a new... everything. Plus mobos are annoying to change and you'd have to do a backup, reinstall Windows, etc etc. If you pay 150$ for a mobo, 250$ for a CPU, 150$ for a GPU, around 100-200$ for a new Windows (unless you surf the seven seas) (btw my prices are if you buy good enough parts to last at least 3-4 years without needing to upgrade) and over 100$ in installation fees if you don't do it yourself, excluding the backup. For around 1000-1200$ you could get a pretty damn good computer all ready for ya, no hassle or part shopping and dealing with the shippings and taxes and everything.

Shiko
03-09-2013, 12:17 AM
Thank you both so much for all the help. As I said before I know a little about Computers...enough to know when im being ripped off and have general knowledge of what each piece does but that is about it. and quite honestly I felt it would have to come to me buying a new computer. Could there be a chance I would have to replace my Monitor as well? I don't know how much a monitor plays into the looks and feel Ect. My tower isn't a mini. But it's not super huge either. Honestly I don't even think it could fit a power supply bigger than what it already has (350W) Might be able to fit a 500W but not too sure.

As far as what I need isn't something completely off the wall. Although it seems to building a gaming monster would be less expensive in the long run as the parts would stay good for many years. My mate's dad has a friend who builds computers so we are going to talk to him shortly about all this. He was the one who had helped me select my build I had in mind. My Mate wants to just simply buy a computer for me so we won't have to go through this again..if for some reason we can't get the finances I was looking at this particular tower http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227436

I looked up some reviews on it and it seems that the graphics card would INDEED be way better than what I have now as most say you can easily run 30Fps on High or Medium...right now I have to Play World of Warcraft on Low cause even if I switch to Fair it gets extremely laggy. A lot of people though say this graphics card in that tower (above) is bad, but I have to look at power saving as well since I don't pay the electric bills.


--As far as what I do on the PC though..all I really do is browse the web, do graphics design, digital art and Game. The games I play are like Sims 3 and World of Warcraft...would play Guild Wars2 ... but alas I can't seem to play it (Not even sure if that tower I linked would play it) and I am wanting to play Elder Scrolls online when it comes out.

Once again Thank you for all your help. If you could possibly link me to your own personal ideas of if that tower is good enough to last..or if I should just attempt to build a computer from the ground up. :)

Onnes
03-09-2013, 12:24 AM
It seems odd that that system wouldn't have a video card given its other specs. You don't happen to have any sort of records from when you purchased it, do you?

Shiko
03-09-2013, 12:28 AM
@Onnes It probably does have One. I didn't post the entire DxDiag Not unless you don't see it in the Area it should be?

Here is the Rest of the Display Device Mumbo Jumbp

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DDI Version: 10
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WHQL Logo'd: No
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Onnes
03-09-2013, 12:41 AM
Well, what you initially posted says it's running off a relatively dated GPU integrated on the motherboard, which is going to be pretty useless for gaming and graphical design. What I'm wondering is whether or not a real card might be present but undetected or disabled.

Did this system originally perform better in games, or has it always been like this?

Ibuuyk
03-09-2013, 12:43 AM
Nope nope nope nope nope, don't ever ever buy Ibuypower. That's possibly one of the worst manufacturer ever, according to many, many reviews I've read when I myself was shopping for a new desktop (my old one was cursed and/or possessed by something malevolent). They don't sell (relatively) cheap for nothing, their stuff sometimes comes with assemblage faults, defect mobos, missing and/or badly screwed screws, damaged and/or used cases and shit like that and their customer support will just say it's your or the shipping company's fault and deny everything.

Also, if your monitor can run 1920x1080 in 1080p, heck keep it it's awesome!

Shiko
03-09-2013, 12:45 AM
Honestly when I first bought the PC as far as I can remember it ran pretty good, but at the time I wasn't playing World of Warcraft on it. More like Free to play Games like Perfect World and Jade Dynasty as well as SecondLife and Sims 3. When I first bought the PC Sims3 played very well, not it's super laggy and glitchy looking when I haven't messed with the original settings I played it on.

Hope this answers your questions :) Thanks for the Help as well Onnes!

Onnes
03-09-2013, 01:09 AM
The easiest thing for you to do would probably be to find the record of your purchase and see what video option is listed. It may also have a more descriptive model code, although I'm not sure where exactly that would be located other than with the purchase information and possibly on the case somewhere with the windows license and other codes.

Shiko
03-09-2013, 02:25 AM
Nope nope nope nope nope, don't ever ever buy Ibuypower. That's possibly one of the worst manufacturer ever, according to many, many reviews I've read when I myself was shopping for a new desktop (my old one was cursed and/or possessed by something malevolent). They don't sell (relatively) cheap for nothing, their stuff sometimes comes with assemblage faults, defect mobos, missing and/or badly screwed screws, damaged and/or used cases and shit like that and their customer support will just say it's your or the shipping company's fault and deny everything.

Also, if your monitor can run 1920x1080 in 1080p, heck keep it it's awesome!


O_O Wow. Well Thanks a lot for that. Of course I would have looked into the actual company before I bought...was just simply going off the specks I suppose. So..for the sake of this Thread...would those specks be good on a different manufacture?

AquaVixen
03-09-2013, 08:10 AM
Just to clear up the graphics issue... go here, this is a small program a couple of MB and free: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

just download it, it's just an EXE, run it, then take a screenshot of what it says, stick it on some free image site (www.imgur.com is the easiest, drag and drop!) and then link it to us here.

Ibuuyk
03-09-2013, 10:03 AM
Erm, the CPU on that build isn't so good. I'd suggest spending an extra 100-200$ to get at least a i5-3570K (though a i7-3770K would be perfect)

In fact, this computer would be absolutely perfect: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258013 (though this one is 110$ cheaper and is still pretty good, it'd only last one less year than the more expensive one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258008)

Nightpaws
03-09-2013, 11:12 AM
The way I'm interpreting this is that the computer may well have a graphics card inside it and it's no longer being chosen/recognized.

Are you able to open it and look? (With it off and you taking anti-static precautions so you don't blow up). The graphics card should probably be pretty obvious if there is one. (Ie, not RAM, and not the motherboard).

It's a 6 core CPU with a decent amount of power so it should handle games at reasonable quality without issue. I'm on an AMD Athlon II X2 P340 2.2GHz (Less than a third of the power) and I get 16fps on the lowest setting on GW2, so it's not to blame.

Shiko
03-09-2013, 12:01 PM
Just to clear up the graphics issue... go here, this is a small program a couple of MB and free: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

just download it, it's just an EXE, run it, then take a screenshot of what it says, stick it on some free image site (www.imgur.com is the easiest, drag and drop!) and then link it to us here.

----> http://i.imgur.com/y4vVuz4.gif <-----


@Ibuuyk

Thank you so much for the links. I am personally not very good at telling if GPU's or CPU's are out of date, or even simply if they are good or not. The 2 that you linked look amazing and I'm assuming everything checks out? Personally I love GeForce and always have, and knowing my mate he will tell me to go with the more expensive one if we could swing it as it's always better to go more expensive than cheap with the right hardware.

As well when you say one year less...my computer only have seemed to last a year..from my general knowledge desktop computers are suppose to last awhile? I mean even my Asus Laptop I bought in 2009 lasted for 3 years and it wasn't even a full sized laptop. Just seems I am having bad luck with PC's and I don't want to dish out 1,000$ just to have the PC only last me a year :(


@NightPaws

Ya know...reading that kinda pisses me off D: the fact that your graphics card in general should be less powerful, but you are getting way more graphics and power even in GW2. & Yes I decided to take a peek in my PC (and to clean it out ... yuk lmao) and honestly I couldn't see a thing...not unless it's integrated graphics. I have put a graphics card in a PC before and where I put one before I noticed no graphics card. I could clearly see the Motherboard & the Memory (will post a picture soon)

Onnes
03-09-2013, 12:53 PM
Well, assuming there is no actual video card in there lurking undetected, the first thing you should do is update your drivers. I think AMD separates their chipset and GPU drivers these days.
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/raid_windows.aspx#2
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/auto_detect.aspx

Shiko
03-09-2013, 01:19 PM
Well, assuming there is no actual video card in there lurking undetected, the first thing you should do is update your drivers. I think AMD separates their chipset and GPU drivers these days.
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/raid_windows.aspx#2
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/auto_detect.aspx


Thanks Onnes. Seems I always forget how to go about Updating things within the computer itself. I have been updating my drivers and I am down to 3 updates out of the 9 that I had. My Graphics card was last updated in 2006 so I can only assume it was a rather old Graphics Card. Hopefully all this will fix some of my problems I have been having for a good 6 Months.


The Second Link you posted the AMD Auto Detect did end up detecting a better driver for my PC. As far as your first Link should I as well install all those?

Nightpaws
03-09-2013, 01:32 PM
You'd be as we'll stall the auto detected one and see if that helps. I recall having to update mine too when I first bought GW2

Shiko
03-09-2013, 01:38 PM
Alright here is a Nice Sexy picture of my now cleaned out PC X3 Lol
As stated I don't actually see the graphics card.

http://i.imgur.com/YRZSuPQ.jpg

As well I had success with Downloading I now should have ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics

Nightpaws
03-09-2013, 02:07 PM
Try your games again, is there any improvement after installing that and rebooting?

Shiko
03-09-2013, 03:10 PM
So far I am noticing Very small Changes. Haven't tested it on Guild Wars 2 as I uninstalled the game after it didn't work. But right now I am testing it on World of Warcraft. I am actually testing it at the DarkMoon Faire which is usually where I get the most lag. Usually if I am on Fair graphics when I go here I have a constant glitchy/laggy look on my screen of my character, the fireworks lag me quite a bit and it's almost impossible to actually do the faire events (as I noticed yesterday and had to switch my graphics to low setting) But as of now I am noticing a little decrease in Lag on my graphics setting at Fair, the fireworks were not lagging me out as I shot out of the cannon and I am able to run around a bit without looking super glitchy. As well there is an over-all better look to the graphics (a smidge) Things are a bit crisper even on Low settings. So that's good ^^

I think what it all comes down too is an outdated Graphics card and an outdated PC all together. :( It's sad but that's what I am thinking. As well one of my Real life friends thinks it could be the Motherboard graphics that have went out. *shrugs* Thank you all so far for all the help! I never would of thought of or known where to go to do all those updates.

AquaVixen
03-09-2013, 03:47 PM
In all reality a 6 core amd cpu @ 2.9ghz should be more than enough to play most of today's games on medium settings, maybe some on high. I think a lot of folks here just think "EWWW AMD! Inferior!" but if you're happy with 1920x1080 (a normal 1080p LCD resolution) @ medium settings, you'd be fine with just buying a mid-range video card, like maybe looking at the Radeon HD 7770, they're about $145 here state side and have probably the best price/performance currently.

Another thing you can look in to, to increase overall system responsiveness (and bring up game performance some) is go into your computer's BIOS (usually you press the DEL button during system start up when it displays the logo on the screen) and look for power saving settings, find "AMD Cool`n`Quiet" and set it to disabled. What this does is let all the cores on your processor run at full speed all the time, instead of throttling down to a slower speed most of the time. I've found It (Cool`n`quiet) doesn't jump the speed up when gaming a lot of the time because most games don't use more than 4 cores, or sometimes 2.

The only other concerns with adding a video card to your system is 1.) you should probably get a pair of fans and put em in those empty fan slots, and 2.) take a look at your power supply and make sure it can handle it. Or if it even has a pci-express 6 pin plug on it for the video card, it may not even have that.

But.. yeah, you can probably get by with just getting a mid-range video card for your computer, a better power supply and be perfectly fine for most games.

Onnes
03-09-2013, 04:32 PM
I picked up a 7770 for around $70 after rebates over the holidays, so it's worth it to watch for sales. Judging from the Asus specs listed for your model you are almost certainly going to want a better PSU if you decide to put in a video card.

Ibuuyk
03-09-2013, 06:28 PM
@Ibuuyk

Thank you so much for the links. I am personally not very good at telling if GPU's or CPU's are out of date, or even simply if they are good or not. The 2 that you linked look amazing and I'm assuming everything checks out? Personally I love GeForce and always have, and knowing my mate he will tell me to go with the more expensive one if we could swing it as it's always better to go more expensive than cheap with the right hardware.

As well when you say one year less...my computer only have seemed to last a year..from my general knowledge desktop computers are suppose to last awhile? I mean even my Asus Laptop I bought in 2009 lasted for 3 years and it wasn't even a full sized laptop. Just seems I am having bad luck with PC's and I don't want to dish out 1,000$ just to have the PC only last me a year :(

Np. Also if you're a huge gamer and want to play everything on the highest settings (plus .ini tweaks, mods and other eyecandies), you'll have to upgrade your desktop almost entirely (at least CPU/GPU, sometimes PSU, rarely mobo, very rarely RAM) every 3-4 years. Buying the first time is a good 1000$ but then upgrading the GPU is usually 150$ for 3-4 years, and 250$ for the CPU. The computers I linked you will easily last you 4 years (at least the most expensive one will, the other should last a good 3 years)

EDIT: Boom, 500th post!

Shiko
03-10-2013, 01:29 AM
lol. Well I am not really super big on Graphics unless I can only play a Game on Low graphics settings, that in my opinion is rather annoying, especially with my Guild Wars 2 incident where I was only getting 6 Frames per Second with everything as low as it could go and even still I was lagging so bad I just simply uninstalled the game altogether in a blind Fury x3

More than likely I will simply just buy a whole new PC I would say "well hey lets get a graphics card and this and that and try to make this PC better" but I kinda feel that in the end I would simply be better off with a new Rig. Of course if I could build a better PC on my own for cheaper than the most expensive pre-made you linked me I would do that (but I highly doubt that would work)

As far as games go though as I stated before I really only play WoW, Sims 3, SecondLife and Wanting to play Elder Scrolls Online when it comes out on the PC. I honestly would want a PC that could play these without Lag and at least at Decent graphics. Another thing is I did sign up for the ESO Beta not being picked because my PC is crap will suck. D:

@Onnes

I will def. be on the look-out for those rebates and sales as well. When it comes to technology Sales are always the way to go. Personally I think I will stick with Newegg for now...I try to stay away from BestBuy, but if I am only buying a particular part I may consider BestBuy.

Nightpaws
03-10-2013, 04:45 AM
You could try wiping it back to factory settings using your Windows Recovery Disc or partition. There's a chance that could help if the computer is simply full of stuff slowing it down.

I'd probably just buy a new one too (which is precisely what I'm doing!).

Shiko
03-10-2013, 11:31 AM
You could try wiping it back to factory settings using your Windows Recovery Disc or partition. There's a chance that could help if the computer is simply full of stuff slowing it down.

I'd probably just buy a new one too (which is precisely what I'm doing!).

OH YES! I saw that :) I would totally put in some sense if I knew more about computers. But I shall wish you luck in finding what you need! :D specially within your budget.


So...My verdict is probably going to sound weird. but I am thinking about just simply buying a Graphics Card a new Case, and a power supply to support said card . I think that may clear up my issues. If not I'll just keep going until I reach what I need. >.< oh yes and I will be buying more fans O_O don't like that there is only 1 and 1 on the PSU. Of Course the New case is just a Pleasure buy as I enjoy seeing Lights!!! So Shiny :)

AquaVixen
03-10-2013, 04:27 PM
I would like to take this time to suggest a few things to you.

For your situation with that computer (2.9ghz 6-core processor and mid-range video card) you want at minimum a 500 watt power supply with at least 30 amps on +12v (that will be listed in the details for each power supply when you look at it) and pretty much only look at the ones with the "80 plus" logo on them. If you see "split rail" power supplies that list like "18A +12v1, 18A +12v2" etc, then just add the two values together and that would be a 36-amp power supply. A Better choice would be a 550-600 with 35-40 amps for good stability.

Also brand is important!

Top choices are: PC Power & Cooling (pretty much any model), ThermalTake ToughPower, Seasonic Platinum. Those are the best in build quality and performance, but might tend to be expensive depending on what's available in your country.

These top performance ones I've used myself in many different computers and they'll usually actually let you run at their rated wattage (100% load) if you ever needed to, they also cost a bit more because they're good.

Secondary choices would be: Antec (any type), Cooler Master (Any type), Corsair (any), XFX (Any), OCZ (any), SeaSonic (bronze and gold), SilverStone (any), SPI (any), ThermalTake TR-2 (or TR).

These secondary choice ones are pretty good, I wouldn't run them at their listed maximum rated wattage for too long though, maybe 80% of max and they'd be okay with that.

If you can't find any of those that are affordable that are 80-plus and 30+ amps, then could consider looking at RoseWill or Diablotek, but these two (and those listed below) won't operate at their listed wattage (like for example if they claim to support 500 watts, they in fact only handle up to 60% of that)

Brands to avoid: LOGISYS, Coolmax, Raidmax, any other brands that aren't 80-plus, or aren't listed here.

The reason this is important is because if you pick an inferior power supply just because it's really cheap, they won't handle what you need with your system and then you'll end up with crashes, bluescreens, the system locking up.. hard drives acting up, etc. The most common power supply problem is seen when you try to open a 3D game and the system shuts off, which can happen if you use an inferior one.

Shiko
03-11-2013, 11:54 AM
Thanks so Much AquaVixen for all the brand names! :) A Friend and I did a lot of talking and he was teaching me a bit about power supplies and how to tell if your motherboard can fit into a case, how many fans my motherboard can hold ECT. One of the power supplies he actually linked to me was 80+ Gold ----> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104099
The brand is not within your list, but he claims he looked it over and that it's a Steal at that price.

I am going to be taking down those brand names and doing some research on Newegg and looking into them. Appreciate all the help ^_^; I'm hoping I will be able to save up the money fairly soon. Hopefully 300$ will all I have to spend on a Power supply and Graphics card. (haven't decided if I want a new case...would like one >< )

AquaVixen
03-11-2013, 08:40 PM
Given your response, I took a quick look at newegg (Since you said that's what you're going through) and I would pass on two suggestions. These are just suggestions of course, do your own research as it's your money.

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171054

This is a good, rugged power supply. I used one in my big i7 computer for a couple years and I've run it up at 100% listed maximum wattage for months at a time and it'll do it without a problem. It handled my 4.1ghz i7 machine with 10 hard drives and 2 video cards. Maybe a little overkill for your needs right now, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to invest in a decent power supply that you could take forward to future systems for upgrading. I know it doesn't actually have the "80 plus" logo on it, but it's 80% efficiency rating and still a decent one.

Video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131473

I've used this video card in an older computer for a friend (in a older 2007 2.6ghz quad core) and it can handle for example, borderlands 2 @ 1920x1080 (1080p) with all settings high/max and 60-70 FPS (smooth gameplay) when paired to even that older processor. And you have a 2.9ghz 6 core, so it should be even better.

Total would come to: $273.69 which would leave you a little left over out of your $300 budget for fans.. you said you needed some :>

Might not leave room for a case just right now though, but I think you'd be really surprised what your system can do when paired to a decent video card.