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DeltaWhiskey
02-28-2013, 04:06 PM
Not certain if this is the correct area for this, or if anything similar has already been covered, but it's sort of specific.

If one were to submit an image depicting a feral, fully-grown pony/miniature horse in an adult situation, would said image fall under the threshold of the 'underage' rule?

Secondly, were such a complaint to be made, would there be the option for discussion and clarification of the matter with the handling admin?

Apologies if this isn't the correct place, and, honestly, apologies that I have to even ask this at all, but it was forced as an issue elsewhere and I was given no room to discuss it. I'd like to know how such an instance would be handled here.

Nightpaws
03-01-2013, 08:30 PM
The image you're describing would be allowed as long as it's an adult pony and there is no implication that the subject is in any way a child. It would fall under the Adult category



Adult (18+) Content categorized as Adult contains imagery, themes or material that is not suitable for minors, and may contain sexually arousing content or extreme depiction of topics or actions.


If you tag the image correctly and provide an appropriate description you should be fine :)

Mayhem
03-01-2013, 09:15 PM
I get that, but I think the OP was worried about the fact that a lot of people consider ponys to be underage kinda like cubs.

I am not even sure how this site handles cubs.

So it would be nice to make sure that the rule you just posted really covers it.
How does this site feel about the things I have mentioned or is this site an all go as long as its labeled correctly?

And i was also curious that this is an art site correct? Not just a furry site (although thats what mainly comes to it so far) so ANOTHER question i have is how does this site feel about photography. I know DA allows it and has a few set rules like no sexual fluids, masturbation, or erect penis or penetration seen and FA has the whole thing about NO photo that are pornographic or suggestive at all.

DeltaWhiskey
03-01-2013, 09:19 PM
Thank you. As I tried to convey, it should never have been an issue by my reasoning. At the site where it became one, it was clearly tagged and described as fully grown, and the artist made several specific efforts to portray adult features (mane, tail, fetlocks all fully grown; legs of adult proportion instead of gangly as you'd see on a foal, etc.) Given the lack of discussion I was permitted, I can't say for certain what transpired, but my suspicion is that someone saw a horse of small stature, immediately cried 'cub' at the nearest admin, who summarily deleted it to mollify the complainer.

Hence the second part of my question: Should such a knee-jerk complaint be raised, is there a process for actual resolution of the dispute? Would such points as I've made here have a venue in which to be raised, formally?

Again, apologies, as I probably sound short and confrontational. I just feel strongly that this was handled very poorly elsewhere, and I'm sure that frustration is colouring my tone here. It truly is not meant to, and your response was most helpful and appreciated. :)

Mayhem
03-01-2013, 09:23 PM
I dont think its very short at all. I think its a very important question that would be nice to know the answer to.

Nightpaws
03-01-2013, 09:26 PM
No problem at all :)

If you feel your issue has been unfairly handled and you know which member of staff dealt with it, you could PM another member of Staff, or send a message to Support@Weasyl.com

Mayhem
03-01-2013, 09:30 PM
Nightpaws I dont think that actually answered any of the questions

DeltaWhiskey
03-01-2013, 09:49 PM
I get that, but I think the OP was worried about the fact that a lot of people consider ponys to be underage kinda like cubs.

I am not even sure how this site handles cubs.

So it would be nice to make sure that the rule you just posted really covers it.
How does this site feel about the things I have mentioned or is this site an all go as long as its labeled correctly?

And i was also curious that this is an art site correct? Not just a furry site (although thats what mainly comes to it so far) so ANOTHER question i have is how does this site feel about photography. I know DA allows it and has a few set rules like no sexual fluids, masturbation, or erect penis or penetration seen and FA has the whole thing about NO photo that are pornographic or suggestive at all.

Not quite 'consider to be' as much as 'don't bother to tell the difference'. And, just for clarification purposes in this case, we're talking about a pony in the traditional sense, a small breed of horse. Not a Pony of the My Little variety. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Cub stuff is prohibited in the usual manner, I guess the question being who gets to decide what qualifies as 'depicted as being'. In the case of the site I'm not gonna name names regarding, it's apparently "that guy over there said it kinda looks like it, sort of."

In regards to photography, as far what I see laid out in the policy, there are the usual rules against anything pornographic, and against just taking pictures of 'stuff you have.' Whether there are rules pertaining to requiring some measure of 'furry content', I couldn't tell you.


No problem at all :)

If you feel your issue has been unfairly handled and you know which member of staff dealt with it, you could PM another member of Staff, or send a message to Support@Weasyl.com


Nightpaws I dont think that actually answered any of the questions

Assuming that's an answer for going-forward, it is basically what I asked. I've had no dispute as of yet with this site, I'm just asking pre-emptively.

Nightpaws
03-01-2013, 10:06 PM
I'll try to answer the questions raised in this thread separately for clarity. I apologize if this isn't any clearer but rather than reply to them all at once I thought this might make more sense.

"If one were to submit an image depicting a feral, fully-grown pony/miniature horse in an adult situation, would said image fall under the threshold of the 'underage' rule?"


- If the character depicted is clearly over 18/an adult there's nothing wrong with it, though it should be tagged feral and given an Adult rating. Whether or not an image counts is at the discretion of the Weasyl staff.
Moderation is carried out a common sense basis. If you look at the image and can say, "That's an adult pony." then that's fine. If the average persons first thought when looking is "That's a kid" then obviously it wouldn't be accepted. There are notable differences between a young horse and a pony and staff should be able to tell the difference.




"Secondly, were such a complaint to be made, would there be the option for discussion and clarification of the matter with the handling admin?"


- If a complaint is raised against it and you wish to appeal it, or you wish to know more, then contact Support@Weasyl.com where a member of staff can give you more details as to why it was deemed unacceptable.


"So it would be nice to make sure that the rule you just posted really covers it.
How does this site feel about the things I have mentioned or is this site an all go as long as its labeled correctly?"


- In terms of drawn art, provided it's not cub, plagiarism, poor quality, a meme, or spam then as long as it's properly labelled you should be okay.


"And i was also curious that this is an art site correct? Not just a furry site (although thats what mainly comes to it so far) so ANOTHER question i have is how does this site feel about photography. I know DA allows it and has a few set rules like no sexual fluids, masturbation, or erect penis or penetration seen and FA has the whole thing about NO photo that are pornographic or suggestive at all."


- Weasyl isn't exclusively a furry art site, other art submissions are fine too. Photography is allowed, however it cannot depict any illegal or pornographic content.




Hopefully that answers some of the questions a bit better, and yep, that answer was for going forward. I apologize for the poor formatting of this response as I'm using notepad to type it.

Tiger
03-02-2013, 02:04 AM
I want to add a bit to the photography talk that has been brought up briefly in this thread-



In regards to photography, as far what I see laid out in the policy, there are the usual rules against anything pornographic, and against just taking pictures of 'stuff you have.' Whether there are rules pertaining to requiring some measure of 'furry content', I couldn't tell you.


I'm not sure what you mean by "furry content". The rules apply to any photograph, regardless of the content/subject. Furry related images are not exempt from them. For example, while fursuit photos are allowed, they still have to fall under the 'High Quality Photo" rule. Another example, fursuiter photos still fall under the rule that they cannot depict illegal drug use, child abuse, animal abuse, etc. Under no circumstance is explicit sexual content allowed in a photography submission, furry or not. Images that just showcase the user's possession(s) do not necessarily have to be furry in nature to violate (or to not fall under) the AUP- there needs to be an artistic reasoning behind taking that photo rather than just taking a low quality photo for the sake of showing off something you own. There are more examples I can list, but I think my point has been made.

TL;DR: Every photograph follows the same rules, regardless of subject or content, and this includes photos that have any relation to the furry fandom.



And i was also curious that this is an art site correct? Not just a furry site (although thats what mainly comes to it so far) so ANOTHER question i have is how does this site feel about photography. I know DA allows it and has a few set rules like no sexual fluids, masturbation, or erect penis or penetration seen and FA has the whole thing about NO photo that are pornographic or suggestive at all.

It's not a furry site. I can understand why people could get the impression that it is, but keep in mind that Weasyl was most heavily advertised on furry art websites like FurAffinity, so the majority of the userbase has been and still is furry. I'm sure over time the diversity of artists and artwork will grow dramatically as time goes by.

And to your question about the photography, I've answered it above in my response to Delta. What you're talking about sounds to me like it would fall under the rules "Must not contain pornographic depictions of any sex acts" and "Must not feature exposed or clearly defined genitalia, and must not feature exposed nipples, even if the image has been altered so as to obscure them" (I'm quoting these from the Community Guidelines (https://www.weasyl.com/policy/community).

I hope my post helps! Always feel free to ask any kinds of question :)