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foxboyprower
10-28-2012, 01:50 AM
The site doesn't allow cub artwork. I'm not a fan of it, but banning cub artwork splits the fanbase. It's the reason so many furries left to join inkbunny. If we want to make a site for all furries (which I'm hoping for), shunning part of the fandom (regardless how creepy it may or may not seem) isn't a great plan. I know some great artists that won't be a part of places like furaffinity simply because some of their work is cub stuff. I don't like that kind of work, but the site will have lost the rest of the great work they have to offer. Allowing users to block keywords would keep the cub artwork where they don't have to see it.

Also... Wow this sounds bad coming after my previous suggestion, but allowing minors to join the website. I've heard minors aren't allowed to join. I understand the adult nature of furry work, but locking them in a SFW mode until they turn 18 would be a relatively easy solution. If they can't join, they'll lie about their age and join anyways. Not allowing a certain age group to join makes the site feel like it's supposed to be adult oriented rather than building a community for all furries. Preventing minors from joining was one of the reasons myspace sucked.

I don't want to see this site die. Barring certain groups of people and content makes the site suffer. If 100% of the furries can't join, it can't be universally accepted and will fade away as another fad. Please don't let this happen.

Temrin
10-28-2012, 01:57 AM
For the cub thing, i didnt read anything specificaly in the ToS that banned people from drawing young/baby characters. The only thing was to "Not draw them in adult situations" which i would assume is for legal reasons. Underage in sexual situations is against the law and on a website that shows a lot of adult situations it can become compromising. The only reason why Inkbunny is allowed to have adult cub art on that site (as far as i know when i asked around so dont quote me on this) is because they do not allow humans to be portrayed on their site, PERIOD. No artwork, no photo's, etc, of any human. of age or under. Because with the mixing of humanity into a site where fictional underage characters can also be portrayed in sexual situations was is compromising and not showing humans at all was the only way they got their contract with AlertPay to sell prints etc. (which fell under because Alert Pay backed out of their contract for whatever reason. )

Even if you SFW younger peoples accoutns, they can still lie and make an account to view adult art. Theres not really a sure proof way to stop that from happening.

Swanda
10-28-2012, 02:03 AM
As far as I know Inkbunny allows tag filtering as well, but that really didn’t help the site at all when adult cub art is allowed.. I know a fair deal of FA users who left IB when FA banned adult cub, to get away from it.

So either way it’s an issue that Weasyl will lose potential users over.
So yeah, a big no to that suggestion from me.

foxboyprower
10-28-2012, 02:14 AM
You make a good point about the legal reasons. Banning human art would be far more restrictive than banning cub porn.

In regards to the minor situation, I understand they can still lie, but my concern is about the image that gives the site. It just gives the initial impression of an adult art site rather than a furry community.

RadioCatastrophe
10-28-2012, 02:32 AM
This has been discussed before the beta in a thread or two. Weasyl won't be allowing it for legal reasons, nothing moral about it, so leave it at that. This topic has been thrown around countless times on FA and it all comes down to "What server would allow a site to host this?" or "How legal is this? There was a law passed during the Bush admin banning this". Adding something that doesn't belong on an art site (yeah porn is here but some people can make sensual acts artistic believe it or not) won't make it popular to ARTISTS.

Temrin
10-28-2012, 03:03 AM
I would also like to make a note

@ foxboyprower It is -not- a furry community. It is an -art- community. It is not just for furry art it is for all forms of artwork. This site was advertized originally as a furry site, yes, but that is not the case anymore. It is for everyone.

Wuvvums
10-28-2012, 08:35 AM
I think the popularity of cub porn is over-estimated. By that logic, inkbunny would probably be more popular than furaffinity because it wouldn't be banning cub. But cub splits the userbase just as much as not having it and the reputation the site has pretty much turns most non-cub artists to FA instead. Even if you aren't drawing cub your work can be quite invisible in comparison to it there.

I just think inkbunny becoming the solution to cub made it a very niche site and I don't really want that to happen here.

Shane
10-28-2012, 10:03 AM
I'm echoing Temrin here, but Weasyl isn't a furry art site so I don't think it's really too concerned with splitting "the fanbase". It's goal is to appeal to a broad range of creators, from digital artists to photographers, and writers to musicians.

Sneak
10-28-2012, 11:11 AM
Since this website is General Art, not Furry, the inclusion of cub porn would certainly drive off any potential General-Art artists.... if the inclusion and heavy dominance of furry art hasn't already. Even with the ability to block tags. To be honest, I think the existence of cub porn split the fandom long before it was ever disallowed on FA.

Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is: Inclusion of cub porn would drive off many more than it would bring in. I think Weasyl will be fine without it due to its features and other content.

Tiger
10-28-2012, 11:54 AM
Are you talking about specifically cub porn, or all cub art in general? Because yes, cub porn is not allowed and I feel everyone else has thoroughly explained why. But if you are talking in general, cub art IS allowed. See this part of the Community Guidelines-


Minors in Sexual Situations: Submissions and other uploaded content must not contain characters who are, or are depicted as being, under the age of eighteen and are engaged in sexual situations. Depicted as being under the age of eighteen can mean one of two things:

The character is referred to or implied as being under 18, whether in a visual or written piece, or;
The character in question has small child, or infant-like proportions. Furthermore, photographs must not contain any improperly clothed minors regardless of the situation depicted.



According to that, cub in general is fine, but not cub porn. If I'm wrong about this anyone can feel free to correct me.

Regarding your second point, minors ARE allowed. They are just restricted in access to art intended for users 18+ years old. If minors were not allowed, why would certain art need to be marked only for users 18+? There certainly is a chance that a minor will sign up as an adult, but it's up to the staff to handle that kind of situation. Also, I'd like to know where you heard minors were not allowed to sign up as that is completely false. The site is not for adults only.

And lastly, Weasyl is not a completely furry website. A large portion of the userbase is furry/furry related because it was advertised the most on websites like fA, which is furry. Right now since Weasyl is still beta a lot of art will be furry related, but I am confident that when the site opens up to everyone there will be much more than just furry art.

foxboyprower
10-28-2012, 03:54 PM
Ah. I has just heard a rumor that minors were not allowed to sign up at all. At least that stifles that rumor I heard. That was my main concern.

- - - Updated - - -

That's a good point since Cub art is very well established there.

Temrin
10-28-2012, 04:22 PM
If you hear a rumor, it is good to do your own research and not believe everything you hear from others. There are nay sayers about Weasyl who have been spreading random things without any actual backup about it. So :/

Kazekai
10-28-2012, 04:45 PM
I'd like for the site to allow cub porn sometime in the far future, I don't think it's really fair to exclude it and for some idiots people to leave a site because EW CUB when there are equally disturbing fetish materials on the same site but people will always act stupid and without rationale.

As for now, this is an issue I cared deeply about, and still do, so I asked Taw to elaborate in a PM. I'll just post the contents of that PM in here:

I'll shed some light into this as best I can from my knowledge for you, but please understand that the following is my personal opinion on the matter and drawing off knowledge that I believe is accurate, though I would need to double check to be absolutely certain.

Back in September, Kihari was making development posts on FA about Fergal, an art gallery he was attempting to create, which was supposed to be an alternative to FA - one that is more secure (other people's private messages on the mainsite are impossible to leak or view without root access and that is secure and only two or three people have access to 'em, for example!) and more efficient with coding. About a week after he started posting about it, I offered to help out in the form of doing some graphics and a small amount of web design for him, as well as get some things set up and working such as forum software.

He agreed and the two of us slowly developed some aspects of Fergal, and then in January we gathered a team together, and then brought in Aden to do the front-end of the site, since my knowledge of html and css isn't that strong (which has definitely improved quite a bit this past year!).

We were fairly open to ideas and suggestions from the fellow staff, and we collaborated on many different aspects of the site. Then when we got to the Community Guidelines drafting and what we can and can't allow on the site, we had to research laws and look into it more.

We're trying to make something that isn't a money pit like FA seems to be (Dragoneer pays out of his pocket, several thousand I believe, per month for it or something!) and try and make Weasyl self-sustainable with the form of premium membership.

Looking into it more, we found the laws on drawn child porn were quite.. iffy. I know cub porn isn't quite exactly drawn child porn, and that it's fantasy work (since it is anthropomorphic creatures and such!), but it was a really gray area.

We inquired with quite a few payment processors (though not many would even allow drawn porn, so that limited us to only a few!) for our premium membership for transactions since Paypal would destroy us if we tried to use them (we may have a payment processor though that accepts paypal, though we're still working on the details of which one to go with, etc, so don't take that for sure!).

All of them essentially said if we were to allow that kind of material, they'd shut us down right away, and the fees for these aren't cheap either. It's $750 or so a year for a payment processor for visa and mastercard I believe!

On top of this, several of our staff members have jobs that require background checks, and some are in the government sector in their countries, which would look extremely bad to have on their record and could actually land them in trouble, depending on how the court looks at it (since this is all a massive legal gray area and nothing is 100% for sure or certain!).

We had a vote and the staff came to the consensus that for the best interests of Weasyl and it's staff, we'd need to disallow cub porn on the site.

Personally, it's not my thing at all, but I'm not going to tell people that it's gross or wrong or anything - different strokes for different folks and all. I believe no one should be judged for what their interests behind closed doors are. Though we just can't really see Weasyl being sustainable and keeping around a lot of our staff members if we allowed it.

I hope this clears things up a bit for you. I know it's annoying that something is disallowed, yet we can allow things like feral porn, which is essentially drawn bestiality, but the laws for that differ depending on the state you're in and it's not as iffy as cub porn is.

Tiger
10-28-2012, 05:04 PM
I'd like for the site to allow cub porn sometime in the far future, I don't think it's really fair to exclude it and for some idiots people to leave a site because EW CUB when there are equally disturbing fetish materials on the same site but people will always act stupid and without rationale.

There was a thread (http://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?207-Question-about-mature-adult-art-and-this-forum) a while ago about cub porn and the staff said it was not allowed. Taw just reiterated the fact that it is not allowed. I'm sure other people share your view that it is unfair that many other fetishes on the site are allowed while cub porn is banned, and you have a right to be unhappy about that. But just because some people are unhappy doesn't mean Weasyl can jeopardize being sustainable by allowing cub porn to be submitted. You just need to accept the fact that there won't be cub porn on Weasyl.

And everyone is entitled to their own fetishes or lack of them. It doesn't make them "stupid" or "wrong". It's not "irrational" that someone is uncomfortable about the subject of an artwork and chooses not to be involved in a community that hosts that kind of work. They have a right to dislike a fetish just as much as you have the right to enjoy a fetish.

Kazekai
10-29-2012, 07:32 AM
There was a thread (http://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?207-Question-about-mature-adult-art-and-this-forum) a while ago about cub porn and the staff said it was not allowed. Taw just reiterated the fact that it is not allowed. I'm sure other people share your view that it is unfair that many other fetishes on the site are allowed while cub porn is banned, and you have a right to be unhappy about that. But just because some people are unhappy doesn't mean Weasyl can jeopardize being sustainable by allowing cub porn to be submitted. You just need to accept the fact that there won't be cub porn on Weasyl.

And everyone is entitled to their own fetishes or lack of them. It doesn't make them "stupid" or "wrong". It's not "irrational" that someone is uncomfortable about the subject of an artwork and chooses not to be involved in a community that hosts that kind of work. They have a right to dislike a fetish just as much as you have the right to enjoy a fetish.

I pretty much quoted what Taw said for the sake of clearing it up, while still maintaining that I do not fully agree with it but won't hold it against them since it's out of their control.

By "far future" I meant in a few years, possibly when it becomes a trivial political subject that nobody finds offensive anymore in the same way that people do not find other things offensive.

A lot of things make people uncomfortable. Gay porn makes people uncomfortable, scat makes me uncomfortable, nobody bans those because it is uncomfortable for some people. If anyone's reasoning for why it shouldn't be allowed is purely because it makes them uncomfortable, and if any website did allow it, I'd tell them to suck it up and use the tag filters like big boys and girls. If that sounds rude, I don't care. I'm sick of the argument that people avoid inkbunny because it allows porn they can easily block and I just view those people as a bunch of crybabies.

And just to reiterate: I know it's not allowed for legal reasons, I accept that it's not allowed for legal reasons, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop discouraging people looking down their nose at it for other reasons.

Edit: And I'm talking about the userbase, not the admins. I do not want this site's community to develop an elitist anti-cub attitude just because it's not allowed, I want to discourage that as much as possible, because if that becomes prominent in the community, I will leave. I don't want to deal with that, I get enough pointless crap from people over my fetishes already and I simply won't feel safe here if that happens.

That's why I keep popping up in threads where this is an issue. I want to do something that would make this not like FA where people spit on you just for having an IB account even if you aren't breaking the no cub porn rule, I want to feel as welcome as any other person and I'm sure I'm not the only one. This is a thread about making the site more appealing to more people, right? One of the ways that can be done is to not have a community that cultivates hate or shunning for people just because of the porn they look at, and I'm genuinely afraid that's what this rule will do.

Edit2: I know the rule can't be changed but I hope something else can be done for us, I'm trying to get involved and fight for my cause but I don't have the authority required to formally protect myself or people like me if the site ends up harboring that kind of attitude and it becomes commonplace.

Tiger
10-29-2012, 08:26 AM
I pretty much quoted what Taw said for the sake of clearing it up, while still maintaining that I do not fully agree with it but won't hold it against them since it's out of their control.

By "far future" I meant in a few years, possibly when it becomes a trivial political subject that nobody finds offensive anymore in the same way that people do not find other things offensive.

You're essentially expecting people to change the law. And even if it was legal, you're expecting that webhosts/servers change their views on it. I just don't see it happening. There are other sites that cater to cub porn, so I'd recommend that anyone who wants to see/draw cub porn go to those sites instead of ranting about Weasyl not having it- which, by the way, no one here is specifically "looking down" on cub porn.



A lot of things make people uncomfortable. Gay porn makes people uncomfortable, scat makes me uncomfortable, nobody bans those because it is uncomfortable for some people. If anyone's reasoning for why it shouldn't be allowed is purely because it makes them uncomfortable, and if any website did allow it, I'd tell them to suck it up and use the tag filters like big boys and girls. If that sounds rude, I don't care. I'm sick of the argument that people avoid inkbunny because it allows porn they can easily block and I just view those people as a bunch of crybabies.


My thought is that some people may view cub porn as a parallel for child porn, and Weasyl is probably not going to be able to change that. Also, people have the right to not post on a site that allows content that they are against. For example, someone might want to join Weasyl but does not like the furry fandom (for whatever reason it may be) and chooses not to post there. They should not be looked down on because of that. It's important to respect the fact that people have different opinions you do and that because they act on their opinions does not give you the right to be inconsiderate to them.



And just to reiterate: I know it's not allowed for legal reasons, I accept that it's not allowed for legal reasons, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop discouraging people looking down their nose at it for other reasons.

Just let it go. Weasyl is not going to allow cub porn and no degree of discouraging will be able to change that.


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EDIT: Show me five examples on either the forum or the mainsite where there have been anti-cub "elitists". I personally, on this forum, cannot think of even three examples of people degrading cub porn. Maybe there are some remarks about it on the mainsite, but I haven't seen any. I do not see any hints at the community becoming anti-cub. I do not see anyone "spitting" at pro-cub people for being on InkBunny. And this isn't fA, either, so it can't really be compared to this one.

It's almost like you're taking offense at comments people haven't even made. I understand that you feel very strongly about the cub porn policy, and you have a right to not agree with the policy. But just because it's there then there doesn't mean there are a ton of anti-cubs on the site. Unless, as I said, anti-cubs are causing a real, legitimate issue that might even need the Weasyl staff to look into it.

Kazekai
10-29-2012, 10:00 AM
You're essentially expecting people to change the law. And even if it was legal, you're expecting that webhosts/servers change their views on it. I just don't see it happening. There are other sites that cater to cub porn, so I'd recommend that anyone who wants to see/draw cub porn go to those sites instead of ranting about Weasyl not having it- which, by the way, no one here is specifically "looking down" on cub porn.



My thought is that some people may view cub porn as a parallel for child porn, and Weasyl is probably not going to be able to change that. Also, people have the right to not post on a site that allows content that they are against. For example, someone might want to join Weasyl but does not like the furry fandom (for whatever reason it may be) and chooses not to post there. They should not be looked down on because of that. It's important to respect the fact that people have different opinions you do and that because they act on their opinions does not give you the right to be inconsiderate to them.



Just let it go. Weasyl is not going to allow cub porn and no degree of discouraging will be able to change that.


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EDIT: Show me five examples on either the forum or the mainsite where there have been anti-cub "elitists". I personally, on this forum, cannot think of even three examples of people degrading cub porn. Maybe there are some remarks about it on the mainsite, but I haven't seen any. I do not see any hints at the community becoming anti-cub. I do not see anyone "spitting" at pro-cub people for being on InkBunny. And this isn't fA, either, so it can't really be compared to this one.

It's almost like you're taking offense at comments people haven't even made. I understand that you feel very strongly about the cub porn policy, and you have a right to not agree with the policy. But just because it's there then there doesn't mean there are a ton of anti-cubs on the site. Unless, as I said, anti-cubs are causing a real, legitimate issue that might even need the Weasyl staff to look into it.

I don't know if you've ever really seen the kind of backlash that I have about the subject, but since you asked, I will show you an example on the forums. It's a bit old, and I hope this doesn't start a fight, but I can oblige this. http://forums.weasyl.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?207-Question-about-mature-adult-art-and-this-forum&p=4844&viewfull=1#post4844

I don't think it's reasonable to expect that someone be respected for believing cub porn is equal to child porn, because that's basically calling everyone who looks at it a pedophile. You wouldn't accept homophobia or transphobia, you shouldn't accept any unfair or hateful bias people have, period. Think about how that makes the person being negatively judged feel, are their concerns about where they feel welcome not important to you?

I know this is one incident, one incident on one site. I've been to many. I won't go into detail about this, but I have experienced the kind of hate that I would like to not happen here. Maybe it won't. For now, the majority seems to be neutral, but I don't know if that will last.

Also, it is legal to look at in the US, I'm not sure about Canada.

Edit: That link I posted is exactly the kind of crap I don't want to become commonplace. Maybe you don't think it's a big deal because you aren't in the direct path of it and it isn't your problem, but it's a problem for those of us who are effected.

Tartii
10-29-2012, 10:33 AM
I am HEAVILY against cub porn showing up on this site. Just because it is a 'fantasy' does not make it any less disturbing to viewers. What people are forgetting is that furs are somewhat more accustomed to babyfur pornography than the rest of the world. I can guarantee that babyfur will do nothing but drive people /away./ If people want places for cubporn they can just go to Inkbunny. Period.
Also, I believe FA banned cubporn because, if they did not, paypal would no longer do business with them nor anybody from there. And I am honestly relieved, because while not everybody who looks at cub pornography is into little kids, I guarantee you somebody out there is. It is also an incredibly sensitive subject nobody can just 'get over and accept as fantasy.' I have witnessed horrid images of child rape fantasies and what not and it would instantly kill this site if shown up here.
Several people view inkbunny as just a 'furry cub porn website where they all flock.' They all need to stay there where they are happy, there is no need to bring them here and have great discomfort among the rest of us. By making that small group of people 'happy' a far bigger number of people will be severally bothered and perhaps even LEAVE here. So while, yes, nothing should be spat upon and nobody has the right to hate on somebody because of their fetish....it should not be forced on others either. 'Furry' erotica is one thing since it is just so broad....Child pornography, no matter how fantasy base, is a huge no from me. Especially if you want to keep paypal happy.

I want to make it clear I have no issues with cub furs. I am not looking to start a fight, but I am voicing my opinion that I strongly disagree with cubporn being here.

PapayaShark
10-29-2012, 10:47 AM
If the site allowed cub porn, a lot of pedophiles would join(don't lie and say that people who likes the idea of children having sex isn't at least a bit pedophile).And when the site also allows minors on it becomes a problem. Not saying all pedophiles groom children, but the risk increases greatly. If web sites that doesn't have porn on them have a problem with grooming, sites that allow child porn will have a massive problem with it.

Wuvvums
10-29-2012, 11:27 AM
Why should we even debate the attitudes towards cub porn? So what if people start acting elitist about it? It's not going to change the status of the cub porn rule. I also think no one would even discuss or go on a tirade about it if people didn't keep bringing up cub. It's a non-issue, it's not something that's going to appear on the site, I just don't see the point in debating how ethically unfair it is when we pointed out that it's a legal issue.

Donro
10-29-2012, 11:33 AM
Not to be obtuse but have you been on IB?

The front page is creepy.. the art is creepy but there's nice people.

This site is aimed at a mass market NOT JUST FURRY, furry alone is creepy to people and I as a furry can see why.. don't throw in sexualised children because lets face it.. if cub was here it would be 90% smut. We don't want to scare people away and the legal ramifications of allowing it are huge.

It's best to drop it, if you want cub that bad go to IB

foxboyprower
10-29-2012, 11:34 AM
I think this thread has run it's course.

Donro
10-29-2012, 11:35 AM
I am HEAVILY against cub porn showing up on this site. Just because it is a 'fantasy' does not make it any less disturbing to viewers. What people are forgetting is that furs are somewhat more accustomed to babyfur pornography than the rest of the world. I can guarantee that babyfur will do nothing but drive people /away./ If people want places for cubporn they can just go to Inkbunny. Period.
Also, I believe FA banned cubporn because, if they did not, paypal would no longer do business with them nor anybody from there. And I am honestly relieved, because while not everybody who looks at cub pornography is into little kids, I guarantee you somebody out there is. It is also an incredibly sensitive subject nobody can just 'get over and accept as fantasy.' I have witnessed horrid images of child rape fantasies and what not and it would instantly kill this site if shown up here.
Several people view inkbunny as just a 'furry cub porn website where they all flock.' They all need to stay there where they are happy, there is no need to bring them here and have great discomfort among the rest of us. By making that small group of people 'happy' a far bigger number of people will be severally bothered and perhaps even LEAVE here. So while, yes, nothing should be spat upon and nobody has the right to hate on somebody because of their fetish....it should not be forced on others either. 'Furry' erotica is one thing since it is just so broad....Child pornography, no matter how fantasy base, is a huge no from me. Especially if you want to keep paypal happy.

I want to make it clear I have no issues with cub furs. I am not looking to start a fight, but I am voicing my opinion that I strongly disagree with cubporn being here.

Summed it up here.

foxboyprower
10-29-2012, 11:37 AM
Now I'm wondering if an admin would kindly shut this forum down. We're not getting anything constructive out of it now.

Unburnt Daenerys
10-29-2012, 12:45 PM
Now I'm wondering if an admin would kindly shut this forum down. We're not getting anything constructive out of it now.

It would be better and faster to PM a mod.

Kazekai
10-29-2012, 12:59 PM
Are you convinced of my point now, Tiger? Thanks for making me feel like shit, guys. Real nice way for a community striving to not be horrible like FA to act.

It's not even about getting the rule removed, it's about giving people the respect they deserve, and some of you are just disgusting. You think I'm a creep because of my fetish? Well I think you're an asshole because of your insensitive ignorance. That's directed at everyone making ignorant comments like what PapayaShark is doing. Do you even care how hurtful you are, you horrid, insensitive jerk? You're the type of person I worry about, you're the type of person who might become commonplace, you're the problem I'm concerned about, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

PapayaShark
10-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Calling me a horrid jerk and a disgusting asshole, bawws about insensitive comments :I How charming.

And fyi, I never said everyone who enjoys child porn will groom children, just that the risk is much higher if the site allows child porn. (Yes, drawn cub/child porn is still child porn). Idgaf if you like it, I just don't think a place that allows minor should allow drawn porn of minors.

Ibuuyk
10-29-2012, 01:29 PM
Are you convinced of my point now, Tiger? Thanks for making me feel like shit, guys. Real nice way for a community striving to not be horrible like FA to act.

It's not even about getting the rule removed, it's about giving people the respect they deserve, and some of you are just disgusting. You think I'm a creep because of my fetish? Well I think you're an asshole because of your insensitive ignorance. That's directed at everyone making ignorant comments like what PapayaShark is doing. Do you even care how hurtful you are, you horrid, insensitive jerk? You're the type of person I worry about, you're the type of person who might become commonplace, you're the problem I'm concerned about, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Will you stop over-analyzing everything and bashing and insulting everyone who has a different opinion than you all the time? In every single thread you claim people personally attack you, you're always and I mean ALWAYS the one who starts the flaming wars by bashing and insulting people even though they were just casually talking about legal matters, agreeing with each other and stuff.

YOU attack people when NOBODY attacks you so stop thinking everything is a personal attack and stop whining and attacking them when they try and defend themselves.

Papaya has a point, fucking get over it and stop with the endless threats and wishes she'd burn alive and ffs, stop spreading the hate around.

Donro
10-29-2012, 01:36 PM
Are you convinced of my point now, Tiger? Thanks for making me feel like shit, guys. Real nice way for a community striving to not be horrible like FA to act.

It's not even about getting the rule removed, it's about giving people the respect they deserve, and some of you are just disgusting. You think I'm a creep because of my fetish? Well I think you're an asshole because of your insensitive ignorance. That's directed at everyone making ignorant comments like what PapayaShark is doing. Do you even care how hurtful you are, you horrid, insensitive jerk? You're the type of person I worry about, you're the type of person who might become commonplace, you're the problem I'm concerned about, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Nobody has called you a freak =3=

you have the right to like what you want we all do, because people don't like the same thing it doesn't make them or you wrong.

Fiz
10-29-2012, 01:43 PM
Okay yea this thread has run it's course.

What you personally feel for or against cub porn has nothing to do with anything. There is no reason for a moral discussion about it or to start accusing people of anything.

Don't start insulting each other over it either. If you feel someone is harassing you or trying to start a fight, just report it. Don't try to handle it yourself because it'll likely just make the situation worse.

As for the fear of the site becoming anti-cub folk, remember that if you're getting harassed or trolled to send a report or contact staff somehow. Harassment will not be tolerated. We don't want folks to get shunned here so reporting any harassment will hopefully nip that in the bud.

Locking thread.